The firearm thread

[Katman]

Odd you have trolled on thread muliple times without having the the guts to state an opinion

If you want my opinion.......

While I don't have any interest in owning or using a firearm, I think the manner in which the gun laws have been changed is an absolute joke.

Only a pillock would believe they'll make the slightest difference in "making NZ a safer place".

[husaberg]

If you want my opinion.......

While I don't have any interest in owning or using a firearm, I think the manner in which the gun laws have been changed is an absolute joke.

Only a pillock would believe they'll make the slightest difference in "making NZ a safer place".

Pitiful
Go on did we ever need AR15's in NZ or not?
Did you support changing NZ gun laws or not?
If the gun laws make no difference you would support US style open slather rules then.......... After all "Only a pillock would believe changes to gun laws would make the slightest difference in "making NZ a safer place" Katmantm

[Katman]

Did you support changing NZ gun laws or not?

Comprehension's not your strong point, is it?

[husaberg]

Comprehension's not your strong point, is it?

Really, it would seem to be your wealkness, because in the real world you can still support changing the laws, even if you don't agree with how its been implemented.
But i guess thats not the case in the troll kingdom under the bridge.

Also If the gun laws make no difference you would support US style open slather rules the?

After all "Only a pillock would believe changes to gun laws would make the slightest difference in "making NZ a safer place" Katmantm

[scumdog]

If you want my opinion.......

While I don't have any interest in owning or using a firearm, I think the manner in which the gun laws have been changed is an absolute joke.

Only a pillock would believe they'll make the slightest difference in "making NZ a safer place".

i have to admit this is one of those times I agree with you as per this proposed gun registration - where has that ever prevented a person being shot?

And they already have the non A cat. guns already registered - only from what I hear hat registration is totally flawed. it's incomplete and inaccurate.

[scumdog]

Really, it would seem to be your wealkness, because in the real world you can still support changing the laws even if you dont agree with how its been implemented.
But i guess thats not the case in the troll kingdom under the bridge.

Also If the gun laws make no difference you would support US style open slather rules the?

I suspect Katman was referring to these newly installed laws, ergo there was no need to jump to the extreme of suggestion 'US style open slather rules' .

[Swoop]

I am well prepared to forfeit some rights...

Ahhh! Socialism in action.
The easily deluded are ... easily deluded.

What a bunch of morons.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12251945

Did you expect anything different?

[scumdog]

What a bunch of morons.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12251945

I bet there will be further 'oops' by these clowns!

[husaberg]

I suspect Katman was referring to these newly installed laws, ergo there was no need to jump to the extreme of suggestion 'US style open slather rules' .

Funny you should include the words suspect and Katman in the same sentence................
but seriously if katmans suggestion is to have any merit it also has to work in reverse
Thus if katmans assesment that changing the rules to be more restrictive saves no lives at all so it also must be true that making the rules more lax would also have no effect and not lead to the loss of lives.
So shit go open slather fully auto assault rifles for everyone, we could be safe just like murica................

Ahhh! Socialism in action.
The easily deluded are ... easily deluded.

Oh you mean just like all the 80% of voters who agreed with the action or thought it didn't go far enough or with all the MP in parliment right wing and left, that overwhelmingly supported it as well.

[Katman]

Thus if katmans assesment that changing the rules to be more restrictive saves no lives at all so it also must be true that making the rules more lax would also have no effect and not lead to the loss of lives.
So shit go open slather fully auto assault rifles for everyone, we could be safe just like murica................

And that is why you're viewed by so many here as a total utter moron.

[husaberg]

And that is why you're viewed by so many here as a total utter moron.

Oh no katman doesn't agree and has sand in his lady parts.
You view any one as a moron, that doesn't agree with your multiple and wacky conspiracy theories., (That and a potential sex partner of course.)

Maybe you would like to explain how banning the sale of the guns used, similar guns plus the recovery and removal from circulation of said guns, plus the more through vetting and licencing requirements of the individual, plus the tracing of all the guns and the elimination of thousands of firearms will not make NZ safer and afterwards?
Or is it just one of those "katman statements" you so often make with no corroborating evidence.
Especially given, these were also changes recommended afterwards by the gun lobby as well.
The issue the gun lobby has, is they feel it went to far.
especially considering its almost a direct parallel with a high correlation with more lax the gun laws are plus the more weapons in circulation a country has, To the more mass shootings a country has.
Bit shit i guess you know more than 130 studies in multiple different countries

A 2016 review of 130 studies in 10 countries, published in Epidemiologic Reviews, found that new legal restrictions on owning and purchasing guns tended to be followed by a drop in gun violence .
A review of the US evidence by RAND also linked some gun control measures, including background checks, to reduced injuries and deaths. A growing body of evidence, from Johns Hopkins researchers, also supports laws that require a license to buy and own guns.https://www.vox.com/2019/3/8/1825462...nce-laws-study

[pritch]

where has that ever prevented a person being shot?

And they already have the non A cat. guns already registered - only from what I hear that registration is totally flawed. it's incomplete and inaccurate.

Yeah, nobody can point to a crime ever being solved by gun registration. Having said that, the old system was paper based and strictly local. A new system will be computerised and national.

The problems arise when the real world intrudes, the world that politicians don't inhabit. Problems start when there's a flap on at the station and the boss wants manpower. So the conversation goes like this,
"What's he doing?"
"He's on the firearms registry."
"Get him off that and put him on this."

And so over time the work slips behind and becomes inaccurate. That's not theoretical that's actually how it worked before. That's also why the vetting officers are not police officers.

[Laava]

And that is why you're viewed by so many here as a total utter moron.

Trollololol! Oh the irony!

[jasonu]

I see the new NZ gun laws are working as predicted. Law abiding citizens hand over their formally legal weapons and the not so law abiding citizens run amok in South Auckland.
Only a total moron could have thought this would have worked.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12261593

[husaberg]

I see the new NZ gun laws are working as predicted. Law abiding citizens hand over their formally legal weapons and the not so law abiding citizens run amok in South Auckland.
Only a total moron could have thought this would have worked.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12261593

Yeah cause gun violence doesn't happen at a much higher rate in the USA with its lax gun laws now or before well duh.

Only the stats show The US have a 50 times higher firearms death rate.
In the US state of Louisiana, with 4.7 million people, 526 people died in a gun-related homicide in 2016.
Where as In New Zealand, also with 4.7 million people, just nine people died in a gun-related homicide in 2016.

Even the small east-coast US state of Delaware, with around 967,000 people, still had a higher number of gun-related homicides in 2016 than New Zealand, with 44 people killed.

So clearly NZ doesn't have the problem, The USA does though. but yeah don't let facts get in the way of what appears to be a delusion that people suffer from that makes them think the USA doesnt have a major gun violence problem.