The firearm thread

[onearmedbandit]

That approach will cost billions of taxpayer dollars, but that will not stop these politicians.


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Do you mean the cost of buy back?

[husaberg]

A disgusting and vile act by one Aussie. Unbelievably traumatic to all the victims and their families, and our deepest sympathies to everyone affected.

It is interesting that this scum was mobile in his car (possibly to another location??) when the plod captured him. I doubt he intended to be caught alive, so well done those two cops!

That approach will cost billions of taxpayer dollars, but that will not stop these politicians.

It was interesting to see her stating "A ban on semi auto's" immediately. No consultation. No judicial process. Nothing, just her personal view will be mandatory.
A sad day for legal process too.

It's basically a Dictatorship. Don't forget that come next election

You do realise the national party is backing the changes and they also ignored nearly all the recommended changes their own select committee put forward only a few years ago?

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/polit...-need-changing

The Select Committee’s terms of reference were to focus on how widespread firearms possession is amongst criminals – including gangs, how those people who don’t have a firearms licence come into possession of firearms and what changes, if any, would restrict the flow of firearms to criminals, gangs and people who don’t hold a licence.
“The committee made 20 recommendations. After careful consideration I’ve accepted seven, rejected 12, and recommended one proceed with changes,” Mrs Bennett says.

Bennett rejected most recommendations from the select committee's near year-long inquiry. Five of the committee's nine members are National MPs, and it is chaired by National MP Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi.
The committee inquiry had caused concern among some gun owners and widespread changes would have been a controversial issue in election year.
Rejected recommendations include requiring police to record serial numbers of all firearms upon renewal of licence or inspection, requiring a licence to possess ammunition, and making dealers keep records of ammunition sales.
Bennett also declined to act on the recommendation to investigate the creation of a category of restricted semi-automatic rifle and shotgun.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/...mmittee-report
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=11876027

Its also hard to imagine its a dictatorship when we hold elections and the parties with the most seats decide what happens
Also i note Gerry Brownless has asked for the sale of semi autos to be stopped immediately.
Not only that. It took Australia 12 days to outlaw semi-automatic rifles and shotguns post the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, Where 35 people were slaughtered

[FJRider]

It's basically a Dictatorship. Don't forget that come next election

Considering the last election result prior to Government being formed ... be careful how you vote. Even then it may still be a lottery in seeing who gets in.

Dictatorship or vote hunting ...

[jellywrestler]

It took Australia 12 days to outlaw semi-automatic rifles and shotguns post the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, Where 35 people were slaughtered

so why did we have to wait until this happened and not follow aussie back then?
how many other kneejerk reactions are we going to get?
take that big billboard. seemed ok that it sat there for all that time with none of the three people including delicate kids having any sort of ear protection....

[Laava]

Surprising how many people on here have claimed to currently own pistols?

[husaberg]

so why did we have to wait until this happened and not follow aussie back then?
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Maybe it takes innocent people getting killed on that scale before shit gets real for politicians

[jafagsx250]

Yes but if you make sure the penalties for the grey gun receiving and selling is strong enough this shouldn't become an issue, No one wants to spend 10 years in prison for the sake of a few dollars.
Also if you know where the guns are, You end up with a better system then we have now. Plus it has to be user pays.
There will always be criminals. but in NZ they actually tend to use cheap weapons such as 22's or shotguns according to the stats.


three years and four months was not enough for illegally supplying the weapon used in a murder.
https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/west-c...sed-kill-woman.

That won't stop it if you don't pay what they're worth.

Registration would have never have stopped this. That's delusional.

I have stayed away from the news, too many people talking about things they know nothing about.

Last night I saw a discussion among journalists on social media. The topic was panic buying of semi automatics. There was no doubt in their mind that this was happening once the suggestion was made. Never mind that you need a special endorsement to buy a military style semi automatic. The endorsement requires interviews with about five different people, and the chances of getting the endorsement between the PMs announcement suggesting a law change Friday and last night was absolutely zero. Exactly where all those guns were being purchased on a Sunday wasn't made clear either.

Sure something like that was alleged to have happened in Florida after the nightclub shooting there, but NZ is not Florida.

Oh, and on the buy back option. Following the buy back exercise in Australia somebody bought some surplus computers from the police. The drives had not been properly cleared and it was apparent that there were instances of multiple surrenders of the same firearm. Say I take my old shitter in to the station and Constable Bob gives me the money. I then go to the back door, he gives me the gun back and I give him half the money. We arrange to meet next Friday. Nice little earner. Then again NZ isn't Oz either.

There are standard license semi automatics. Which is what's being bought.

Things like that will happen here. In Canada people registered hot glue guns.

A disgusting and vile act by one Aussie. Unbelievably traumatic to all the victims and their families, and our deepest sympathies to everyone affected.

It is interesting that this scum was mobile in his car (possibly to another location??) when the plod captured him. I doubt he intended to be caught alive, so well done those two cops!


That approach will cost billions of taxpayer dollars, but that will not stop these politicians.


Coupled with the greens, who a vehement haters of any type of firearm...


It was interesting to see her stating "A ban on semi auto's" immediately. No consultation. No judicial process. Nothing, just her personal view will be mandatory.
A sad day for legal process too.

All that coupled with lying biased media and a rush though with urgency mentality is seriously bad for the country.

Do you mean the cost of buy back?

Yes. If the government and by extension you. Are not willing to pay fair value then compliance will be low.

so why did we have to wait until this happened and not follow aussie back then?
how many other kneejerk reactions are we going to get?
take that big billboard. seemed ok that it sat there for all that time with none of the three people including delicate kids having any sort of ear protection....

Because the aussie have had plenty of mass shootings after port Arthur. Rampant gun crime. Their system is a failure.

[husaberg]

That won't stop it if you don't pay what they're worth.

Registration would have never have stopped this. That's delusional.

delusional is you answering to points i never made.
That example i used, i knew her we went to school together. Her 3 kids are going to grow up without a mother she was killed in front of them.
I am sure they would be real sympathetic to inconveniencing you over this issue.
Tell you what, pm me your address and i will send around her mum to explain to you what its like to lose a daughter to a murdering prick that had not only already raped her. Also one that had killed another person previously.

[jafagsx250]

delusional is you answering to points i never made.
That example i used, i knew her we went to school together. Her 3 kids are going to grow up without a mother she was killed in front of them.
I am sure they would be real sympathetic to inconveniencing you over this issue.
Tell you what, pm me your address and i will send around her mum to explain to you what its like to loose a daughter to a murdering prick that had not only already raped her. Also one that had killed another person previously.

Nope. You mentioned that then we'd know where the guns are. Which is registration.

That's a tragedy.

If I were confident you would not abuse the knowledge then I would.

[jasonu]

Surprising how many people on here have claimed to currently own pistols?

Why is that surprising?

[husaberg]

Nope. You mentioned that then we'd know where the guns are. Which is registration.

That's a tragedy.

If I were confident you would not abuse the knowledge then I would.

That won't stop it if you don't pay what they're worth.
Registration would have never have stopped this. That's delusional.

Really, it will no problem for you to point out where i said anything about buy back then, also . in the post you quoted.
Knowing where the guns are is not regisration it can be tracking with transponders it can be the police checking gun cabnets every year or randomly for security.

I know. It's one of the ways they'll be using to try and reduce the numbers. If people can't afford to be legal then don't be surprised if there are grey guns. You need to encourage compliance with the law.

Yes but if you make sure the penalties for the grey gun receiving and selling is strong enough this shouldn't become an issue, No one wants to spend 10 years in prison for the sake of a few dollars.
Also if you know where the guns are, You end up with a better system then we have now. Plus it has to be user pays.
There will always be criminals. but in NZ they actually tend to use cheap weapons such as 22's or shotguns according to the stats.
three years and four months was not enough for illegally supplying the weapon used in a murder.
https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/west-c...sed-kill-woman.

Or are you confusing me with the select committee National formed which strongly recommended registration or the Police association that also strongly recommended this and were both ignored.
How would anyone abuse the knowledge of registered firearms do they abuse the car registrations. or if you are mening your address
Shit really, i am expected to trust you with a military high velocity semi auto and you dont even want to trust me to know where you live? seems a bit one sided
The Government trusts me as a fit and proper person why cant you?
Do you deem guns to be a lower risk than Cattle as they have to be registered and their movements tracked this is a user pays scheme?

So how come you get to decide about the firearm rules anyway?
Do you know more than the firearm select committees or the police association?
You cant even reply to my posts in full. Or so a bit of courage to talk to the victims of firearms attack.
As for the funding, Under the NRA's right wing rules its a user pays world, it seems the tax payers have been funding the gun licences here though, so expect that to stop.

[jafagsx250]

Really, it will no problem for you to point out where i did in the post you replied to then.


Or are you confusing me with the select committee National formed which strongly recomended this or the Police assosociated that also strongly recomended this and were both ignored.
How would anyone abuse the knowledge of registered firearms do they abuse the car registrations

The police association lies constantly.

Police sell the data to criminals

[pete376403]

[QUOTE=jafagsx250;1131128081
Because the aussie have had plenty of mass shootings after port Arthur. Rampant gun crime. Their system is a failure.[/QUOTE]

Really? the Wast Australian murder suicide (7 deaths) was the first mass shooting since port Arthur. Still plenty of crime involving guns, however
This (dated 2016)
1. Australia hasn't had a single mass shooting since the gun buyback.

The analysis, by Simon Chapman at the University of Sydney and colleagues, found that there were 13 mass shootings in the 17 years prior to the passage of the National Firearms Agreement. Since then, there hasn't been a single one.

Chapman and his colleagues define mass shooting as five or more victims shot and killed, not including the shooter. In the United States, there have been 11 mass shootings meeting that definition this year alone, and 33 since 2014.

Chapman, it's important to note, was active in the push for gun control in Australia following the 1996 massacre, and has written a book about the experience. Still, his paper is very cautiously worded -- at no point does he claim that the gun ban caused any of the observed changes.

[husaberg]

The police association lies constantly.

Police sell the data to criminals

Really the NZ police sell data?
What about the military them too?
What about answering my posts?

[Laava]

Why is that surprising?

Because it is 8.65 percent, which seems too high. I dont know anyone who owns pistols legitemately, plus they are useless for anything other than boring old target shooting and killing things at very close range.