The firearm thread

**jasonu** · 18th November 2019, 17:12

Originally Posted by Laava

What about gun fairs?

As far as I know licensed dealers at gun shows have always had to conduct the same background checks as actual gun shops and only licensed dealers can sell firearms at gun shows.

**jasonu** · 18th November 2019, 17:14

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

There is still a lot of variance, closed carry, open carry etc. Chicago has huge gun crime and very restrictive legislation there.

I think it would be the same in other areas of legislation as well no? Differences state to state mean a sweeping comparison isnt really accurate.

Concealed and or open carry laws do vary by state but actually purchasing a firearm requires a background check.

**Laava** · 18th November 2019, 18:56

Originally Posted by jasonu

As far as I know licensed dealers at gun shows have always had to conduct the same background checks as actual gun shops and only licensed dealers can sell firearms at gun shows.

Yep, but we all know if you want to buy guns, you can legally buy from any of the good ol' boys in the carpark outside eh? No license gubbins or nuffing!

**husaberg** · 18th November 2019, 19:08

Originally Posted by jasonu

Every state I have lived in has the same basic set up. You go to a shop, choose your gun, present your government photo ID they call for a background check you get a yay or nay or a come back tomorrow. Private sales now by law must be done at a place that holds an FFL, generally a gun shop and you pay them to conduct the same background check.

Private sales
Background check required
All firearms
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Nevada[a]
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island
Vermont
Washington
Illinois
Massachusetts

Handguns
Marryland
Pennsylvania

Originally Posted by jasonu

As far as I know licensed dealers at gun shows have always had to conduct the same background checks as actual gun shops and only licensed dealers can sell firearms at gun shows.

Yes nice play on th ewords there but what about those that are at the gun shows that are not licenceed gun dealers.
https://gunsandamerica.org/story/19/...ly-looks-like/
In 2017, a study by researchers from Northeastern University and the Harvard School of Public Health showed that 22% of American gun owners who had obtained a gun in the previous two years did not undergo a background check before doing so.
a 2016 representative survey found 86% of U.S. registered voters supported the measure to do Universal background check
Gun rights groups such as the National Rifle Association and National Shooting Sports Foundation oppose universal background check proposals.

**TheDemonLord** · 18th November 2019, 20:07

Originally Posted by Kickaha

I did, that was where I got it from

Eh, he said he came here, specifically to use a Firearm to prompt a knee-jerk law change (which the Politicians were falling over themselves to do) with the hopes it would cause the US to also try and change their Firearms laws (and with Beto O'Rourke, he came close) which would result in a full-on Civil War (which isn't out of the possibility yet).

Given the speed at which he got his licence (from Aoraki Ammo) - it is clear that he had already planned this before his Move.

**jasonu** · 19th November 2019, 03:08

Originally Posted by Laava

Yep, but we all know if you want to buy guns, you can legally buy from any of the good ol' boys in the carpark outside eh? No license gubbins or nuffing!

The discussion was about LEGALLY purchasing firearms in the USA (see post 9377) which is what your Brenton Tarrant managed to do in NZ.

**husaberg** · 19th November 2019, 06:56

Originally Posted by jasonu

The discussion was about LEGALLY purchasing firearms in the USA (see post 9377) which is what your Brenton Tarrant managed to do in NZ.

Did you read the post before replying?
Isnt it interesting you dont want to almost all firearms used in mass killings in the USA are brought legally 82%.

**Laava** · 19th November 2019, 18:56

Originally Posted by jasonu

The discussion was about LEGALLY purchasing firearms in the USA (see post 9377) which is what your Brenton Tarrant managed to do in NZ.

So you didn't actually read my post?

**jasonu** · 20th November 2019, 17:09

Sounds a lot like a lot of 'fuck it didn't work anyone got a plan on how can we dig ourselves out of this mess without looking like cunts'.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12286649

**TheDemonLord** · 20th November 2019, 21:12

Originally Posted by jasonu

Sounds a lot like a lot of 'fuck it didn't work anyone got a plan on how can we dig ourselves out of this mess without looking like cunts'.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12286649

The first step in admitting your policy was a failure is to pre-emptively get your excuses sorted.

I also heard from a reasonably reliable source that after December the 20th, the Police have been instructed to 'find and make an example of someone in each region' - Safer Communities together, right?

**austingtir** · 21st November 2019, 08:09

Originally Posted by jasonu

Sounds a lot like a lot of 'fuck it didn't work anyone got a plan on how can we dig ourselves out of this mess without looking like cunts'.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12286649

What the NZ police and Jacinda have basically created is a potential black market of 100,000+ illegal firearms.

These people are inept and they need to be voted out. And we shouldnt stop with Jacinda and co. Next year after the election people should be calling for the heads of those at the head of the police force who gleefully went along with all this as well.

**TheDemonLord** · 21st November 2019, 13:46

Originally Posted by austingtir

What the NZ police and Jacinda have basically created is a potential black market of 100,000+ illegal firearms.

These people are inept and they need to be voted out. And we shouldnt stop with Jacinda and co. Next year after the election people should be calling for the heads of those at the head of the police force who gleefully went along with all this as well.

More than that.

The lowest credible estimate was 250,000 - however David Tipple (Gun City) says GC alone has sold more than that - early on in the process a figure was given of some 660,000 Semi-Autos in NZ Circulation. This doesn't include all the banned Shotguns and Lever-action firearms.

using the Lowest estimate, with 30 days to go, only 15% of the lowest estimate have been handed in. At a huge Tax-payer cost.

It would be a great joke if it wasn't so damned serious

**jasonu** · 21st November 2019, 17:25

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

It would be a great joke if it wasn't so damned serious

Yes it is a joke and it is bought to you by the labour parddy and all the fuckwits that voted for them.

**Laava** · 21st November 2019, 17:50

Originally Posted by jasonu

Yes it is a joke and it is bought to you by the labour parddy and all the fuckwits that voted for them.

Has it occurred to you that some people voted labour simply because they were the best party at the election? In the same light that Trump got voted in?
case in point, nationals current leader. Is he prime minister material? If he stays as their leader, labour is pretty much guaranteed a second term.

**sidecar bob** · 21st November 2019, 18:32

Originally Posted by jasonu

Sounds a lot like a lot of 'fuck it didn't work anyone got a plan on how can we dig ourselves out of this mess without looking like cunts'.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12286649

That's a bit like when I call my dog & she dosent come.
Then I say "do whatever you want" & instantly she becomes an obedient dog.