MotoGP going 800

[tracyprier]

Can anyone tell me what has prompted MotoGP to change to 800cc in 2007??

Heard it was happening but not why.

Thanks

[jrandom]

The real problem is that the smaller manufacturers were starting to creep their performance levels up close to the Honda V5s.

Now that entirely new engines (and therefore bikes) will need to be designed, the big manufacturers will once again have a couple of 'Pass Go, Collect $200' seasons where they get to piss all over the teams who can't afford to mount their riders on fully developed bikes.

In 'Win on Sunday, sell on Monday' marketing-speak, this is called 'fair play'.

[White trash]

The real problem is that the smaller manufacturers were starting to creep their performance levels up close to the Honda V5s.

Now that entirely new engines (and therefore bikes) will need to be designed, the big manufacturers will once again have a couple of 'Pass Go, Collect $200' seasons where they get to piss all over the teams who can't afford to mount their riders on fully developed bikes.

In 'Win on Sunday, sell on Monday' marketing-speak, this is called 'fair play'.

Not being one for conspiracy theories, I think you're full of shit.

The MotoGP head honchos wanna slow the bikes down. This is the easiest way they think it can be done.

[Motu]

I'm a bit surprised there isn't a loop hole that allows Ducati a 400cc and weight advantage.....but it's probably there in the small print somewhere....

[TwoSeven]

Too much power being delivered on the bike making them unsafe. Its to do with wossnames (kato) crash is what I heard.

[tracyprier]

Oh right, thanks guys, wondered if it might be a power-thing.

[jrandom]

Not being one for conspiracy theories, I think you're full of shit.

Yeah, but you think that anyway.

It's why my eyes are brown, see.

The MotoGP head honchos wanna slow the bikes down. This is the easiest way they think it can be done.

Betcha that within two seasons, lap times on the 800s are the same or better than they were this year.

[cowpoos]

there is no reason why a 800 cc 4/5 cylinder engine [or ever 6] can't make the same hp as the 1000cc bikes...but it will behave like a twostroke and require a new set of skills...that alot of the long term 4 stoke riders will have problems dealing with...its no wonder riders like casey stoner and dani perdrosa have been fast tracked in to MotoGP...as there skills as twostroke GP winners/skilled riders are going to be incredibly handy for developing the new bikes...topspeeds won't alter much...but with the less spinning interia in a smaller engine we should see higher corner speeds and faster line changes...so the bikes will ultimitly be faster...I also have a little hunch that suzuki will do well with the new rule change...and possibly kawasaki might be a little more compeditive than they have been in the past decade...

[cowpoos]

Yeah, but you think that anyway.

It's why my eyes are brown, see.



Betcha that within two seasons, lap times on the 800s are the same or better than they were this year.

eyes are the window to the soul...hmmm...looks like your BROWN EYES is diplaying whats behind them...lol...


and yeah...I'll hate to do this...but yes fish...it won't slow the bikes down...but I think they'll be faster in the first season...than the 1000's

[cowpoos]

I'm a bit surprised there isn't a loop hole that allows Ducati a 400cc and weight advantage.....but it's probably there in the small print somewhere....

Hmmmm....funny how when honda switched to the v-twins [sp1 and sp2's] in WSB...they won two championships and then the rules changed...

[jrandom]

there is no reason why a 800 cc 4/5 cylinder engine [or ever 6] can't make the same hp as the 1000cc bikes...but it will behave like a twostroke and require a new set of skills...

Yup, wot the cowpoos man says.

Look at the KW/cc of the 3L Formula 1 V10s, then compare them to the existing 990cc MotoGP engines.

There's still a fair bit of horsepower efficiency headroom for the design engineers to draw on, there.

I do reiterate my earlier point, though - the smaller engines will necessarily end up with more advanced materials and technology, faster, and that will inevitably benefit the better-resourced teams. It's not a new point; everyone's been saying that since the 800 rule came out.

And I would be very, very surprised if the GP bosses hadn't thought of that in advance.

[SimJen]

Rossi's team reckons the smaller size will lead to similar lap times.....but the bikes will be harder to ride so more (than currently) electronic aids will be required. This won't favour the smaller teams as they struggle to keep up with engine performance anyway and in no way can they afford the electronic R&D.
WCM had a fast bike that was often quicker than all the others through the twistier parts of the tracks but ultimately the engine was a dog and they had no traction control (although one of the riders used a thumb brake like Doohan used to, to control the power).
Unfortunately it could make the racing look a bit stink.....in the last year we have seen less of the sideways powerslide action of previous years as traction control systems sort it all out for the rider. Most teams have also been running launch controls.
Hopefully it doesn't get like formula one.........bring on 2006

[SimJen]

Hmmmm....funny how when honda switched to the v-twins [sp1 and sp2's] in WSB...they won two championships and then the rules changed...

Difference being, WSBK is run by an italian.....

[cowpoos]

Difference being, WSBK is run by an italian.....

true...I did not know that....makes sence...

[cowpoos]

Rossi's team reckons the smaller size will lead to similar lap times.....but the bikes will be harder to ride so more (than currently) electronic aids will be required. This won't favour the smaller teams as they struggle to keep up with engine performance anyway and in no way can they afford the electronic R&D.
WCM had a fast bike that was often quicker than all the others through the twistier parts of the tracks but ultimately the engine was a dog and they had no traction control (although one of the riders used a thumb brake like Doohan used to, to control the power).
Unfortunately it could make the racing look a bit stink.....in the last year we have seen less of the sideways powerslide action of previous years as traction control systems sort it all out for the rider. Most teams have also been running launch controls.
Hopefully it doesn't get like formula one.........bring on 2006

WCM's engine was a R1 engine with a different gear box...and I believe it suffer alot because they weren't alowed to race for 6 or 7 seven rounds in 2003 because it wasn't a prototype engine or something...so have been behind ever since...I read somewhere that they have a new engine for next season though...a 6 cylinder I believe?