NCEA grading - more PC rubbish

[rogson]

My daughter just received her NCEA results.

When I asked her what her marks were - she couldn't tell me.

Turns out you don't gets marks - you get Es, Ms, As, and Ns (and possibly other letters I couldn't be bothered with) instead.

I looked for an F - for Failed. But no-one fails, the worst you can do is Non-achieve (that's the N).

[far queue]

Turns out you don't gets marks

My daughter needed to get 8 credits in English, 8 credits in Maths, and a total of 80 credits from all subjects for a pass. She ended up getting 16 in English, 33 in Maths, and 102 in total. This means she can carry 20 credits over to next year so that she now needs to get 60 credits next year for a pass instead of 80.

Umm, I guess she got marks. Did your daughter get her results from the net, or in the mail, or both? If she's only checked one, maybe the full results are on the other?

[hXc]

My daughter just received her NCEA results.

When I asked her what her marks were - she couldn't tell me.

Turns out you don't gets marks - you get Es, Ms, As, and Ns (and possibly other letters I couldn't be bothered with) instead.

I looked for an F - for Failed. But no-one fails, the worst you can do is Non-achieve (that's the N).

Sounds like someone doesn't open their eyes. Your daughter will have marks - let me re-phrase that: Your daughter has marks. Her marks are the N's, A's, M's and E's. If you pass a certain standard (paper), you get credits. The amount of credits will vary from paper to paper.

You need 80 credits to pass, as far queue said, and if you get over 80, 20 of them can be carried over to next year. It's a good system, but some things just need to be ironed out.

If you actually paid any attention to your daughters schooling or notices, there would have been NCEA information nights that you could/should have gone to, which explains the way it all works.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=42347 - Check that thread, it explains it in a few posts.


This post is by no means a personal dig, nor is it meant to cause offence, but the facts are all in front of you, you just need to open your eyes. Really, it's not that hard.

[MattRSK]

It's a bullshit system. Yet are you surprised?

[Wasp]

My daughter just received her NCEA results.

When I asked her what her marks were - she couldn't tell me.

Turns out you don't gets marks - you get Es, Ms, As, and Ns (and possibly other letters I couldn't be bothered with) instead.

I looked for an F - for Failed. But no-one fails, the worst you can do is Non-achieve (that's the N).

I think YOU need to pull your head out of the sand

this isnt true but treat an E as 90% mark on a test, M as say 75% and A as 50% (this being related to questions answered right, not the old school C 50/50 grade system), a N is the same as an F and they ARE possible to get - get too many and there goes university entrance

If your daughter cant tell you what i just told you then shes either:

a) sparing you and your old school stuck up ways (i hope its this one mate)
or
b) not paying ANY attention in school AT ALL in which case she deserves every N that she gets (if it is this one then prehaps you should look at yourself in leading her down this stuck up path to rejecting NCEA)

this post really pissed me off mate, sorry if i offend you but seriously the most common question at the start of 5th form (level 1) is "how does the marking system work?"

[far queue]

... If you actually paid any attention to your daughters schooling or notices, there would have been NCEA information nights that you could/should have gone to, which explains the way it all works...

...This post is by no means a personal dig, nor is it meant to cause offence, but the facts are all in front of you, you just need to open your eyes. Really, it's not that hard.

You may have been a bit harsh here mate. Rogson doesn't say he's seen the results himself, he says "When I asked her what her marks were - she couldn't tell me." So, that would lead me to assume he hasn't seen them for himself. Also you appear to assume that he is a father that has been provided with all the information necessary to sort this out, which may be the case.

Using my daughter as an example again - She lives with my ex-wife, my ex-wife has filled her head with bullshit to the extent that I see little of her these days. My ex-wife doesn't pass any information on to me - I don't get to see school notices, I don't hear about school meetings until afterwards. It's a hard job tracking information down, and trying to find what's going on. It's very easy to be ill-informed or un-informed. I got the results from her because I called her to get them when I heard from others that they were out, not because the family was waiting to tell me when I got home.

So, as I say, I don't know what Rogson's circumstances are, but people here are very quick to jump to conclusions. You may be right, but then again ...?

[Wasp]

i think jumping to the conclusion that if Rogson's daughter ACTUALLY cant tell him what it all means then there is something VERY wrong.

also i dont like the title of this thread, what has this got to do with being pc?

[Jantar]

Her marks are the N's, A's, M's and E's. If you pass a certain standard (paper), you get credits. The amount of credits will vary from paper to paper. .

The N's, A's, M's and E's are results, but they are not marks. In fact as far as telling a potential employer just how well a candidate has performed they are useless. Marks are either a raw number, or a percentage.
So sorry hXc, but on this maths test you have just scored 'Not yet achieved'.

[hXc]

The N's, A's, M's and E's are results, but they are not marks. In fact as far as telling a potential employer just how well a candidate has performed they are useless. Marks are either a raw number, or a percentage.
So sorry hXc, but on this maths test you have just scored 'Not yet achieved'.

In NCEA, that is your mark. You don't get a raw number or percentage. You can tell your 'mark' from your A/M/E.
A = 50-70%
M = 70-85%
E = 85-100%

So sorry Jantar, but on this knowledge test, you have just scored an N - Not achieved. Or less than 50% for those that don't have the cranial capacity to understand this piss easy system.

[Wasp]

yup jantar, sorry but hxc is right

edit: just saw your age - you are excused, i mean cmon how could you have knowen

[Jantar]

In NCEA, that is your mark. You don't get a raw number or percentage. You can tell your 'mark' from your A/M/E.
A = 50-70%
M = 70-85%
E = 85-100%

So sorry Jantar, but on this knowledge test, you have just scored an N - Not achieved. Or less than 50% for those that don't have the cranial capacity to understand this piss easy system.

Oh dear, hXc, I can see we are really going to have a disagreement over this. If two people apply for a job, and in the rtelevent subject they both have M. There is no way to tell which has the better knowledge. One may have scored 71% and the other 84%, a massive difference in knowledge when related to standard distribution. The M does not tell their marks, only that they both scored within a similar range.

Now before we go too far along the lines that "In NCEA, that is your mark. You don't get a raw number or percentage" I should point out that in some subjects the students DO get a raw mark or percentage, although that is not universal. I am representitve on a working group that sets an ITO's unit standard criteria, and I also set exams that are used in assessing candidates at level 5 and 6, so I do understand how NCEA is meant to work. I also understand why it doesn't work.

I would also point out that an N is not neccessarily less than 50%. In many subjects it is less than 30% and in the exams I set it is less than 80%.

As an assesor you have also just scored N

[xwhatsit]

I don't see the problem -- I didn't sit secondary school under this system, I was overseas, but it's very easy to understand. You've just got to get your head around the fact that instead of A, B, C, D, E, it's just been renamed to E, M, A, and N (after all, does it really matter how much you failed by, other than that you couldn't pass the course? That's how it is in uni).

I don't see what `PC' has to do with it. I assume you're making a poke at the `N' bit, but it's just an `F' (or `E') renamed -- and after all, what significance does an `F' carry, compared to a blunt `Not Achieved'? PC's got nothing to do with it.

[hXc]

Blah blah blah...

Well how I understand it, is how I wrote it. I'm the one actually doing it and passing it, so somehow, I don't quite agree with you.

[MidnightMike]

Well how I understand it, is how I wrote it. I'm the one actually doing it and passing it, so somehow, I don't quite agree with you.

I agree to disagree.

( Im with hxc btw.)

[merv]

One thing about this forum is it forces all of us, even the youth of today on here, to try and at least spell things properly or we suffer the wrath of spell nazi Hitler Hitcher.

The reason I raise this is I have been appalled over the last 10 years at work having young people come to the office that spell so badly even the spell checker on the PC can't guess the right word for them - that leads to the problem that they click on the best guess and its not even the word they should be using. I can't fathom how they ever got a Uni degree with the need to write reports and do exams.

Is NCEA doing anything about restoring that skill or will KB continue through Hitcher's help to be the economic powerhouse saviour of this country?