Depression...

[dogsnbikes]

Why is it that when a rider falls from their bike other bikers will not hesitate too lend a helping hand..and yet if a rider falls from the bike of life it becomes a battle to get upright again .......have we become that narrow minded as a species that only the strong survive and the week are left behind...I hope that is not the case

yes these are other peoples opinions and prehaps if people have alook at Surviving the fight.....opinions may differ as its about a true biker and his battle through life

[Macktheknife]

its really tricky.. and i know i have to work it out on my own.. find a solution somehow..

Actually you don't need to do it on your own, you can, but you don't need to. Plenty of people around who can help if you want it.

i dont like to drag others through my mud...

Fair enough, but some people who care will wade through the mud to give a friend a hand, as I'm sure you would do for a friend.

[Curious_AJ]

Actually you don't need to do it on your own, you can, but you don't need to. Plenty of people around who can help if you want it.



Fair enough, but some people who care will wade through the mud to give a friend a hand, as I'm sure you would do for a friend.

thanks mac, that does help... after this weekend im a tad bit better... alcohol and friends like you kbers that i met on friday night... really gives youa boost... the stranger really helped as well.. i thank all of you i dont know how long it will last but im riding the reasonably okay wave at the moment...

[RiderInBlack]

For those that think the "Harden-up" message works for depression, have ya not seen the "John Kerwyn" (ex All Black) add? The stiff-upper-lip thing is part of why a lot of depressed people don't talk about their problem and therefore don't seek help when they need it. Toughing it out on ya own is not the anwser, in my experence (read Please Talk Ta Someone if ya doubt me).

[vifferman]

thanks for all the advice... i really appreciate it... you are all appreciated by me.. really.. what you say has helped me to some extent... but as for talking... i try .. but nothing comes out or i try but then i dont know what i want to talk abotu because i dont know exactly whats making me feel like this.. its like its for no reason.. yet somehow i know there is some sort of reason... and i tend to put on my outside mask when in public or with friends face to face... it just happens. .i act like the happiest person in the world but on the inside it feels as though im dying...

its really tricky.. and i know i have to work it out on my own.. find a solution somehow.. i dont like to drag others through my mud... thats why i spend my time helping animals and other humans...

Look, AJ - it's not for "no reason" - this is classic depression, caused by a neurochemical condition in your brain. I felt like a 'wave of sadness' for "no reason", and it was because of low serotonin levels in my body.

I'm sorry, but in all likelihood you are unlikely to be able to work it out on your own; you're in a state where you can trust neither your feelings nor your thoughts. Instead of your feelings being under your control, your feelings are being controlled by your neurochemistry, and your feelings are warping your thought processes.

You need help.

[MikeyG]

As this thread has started to be a place for shit-slinging I've decided to remove all the posts of my personal experiences from the public forum.

If you are going through depression and would like me to talk about what I've been through or would just like to talk feel free to PM me.

[ManDownUnder]

As this thread has started to be a place for shit-slinging I've decided to remove all the posts of my personal experiences from the public forum.

If you are going through depression and would like me to talk about what I've been through or would just like to talk feel free to PM me.

Mate - we didn't see eye to eye a wee while back there... but I'd ask you to reconsider and not remove them. I (for one) won't be able to learn from them, and other with depression are less able to relate to them, and see they're not alone.

Your call at the end of the day though.
Nigel

[XP@]

As this thread has started to be a place for shit-slinging I've decided to remove all the posts of my personal experiences from the public forum.

If you are going through depression and would like me to talk about what I've been through or would just like to talk feel free to PM me.

I must admit I was really disappointed to come in this morning to see what had happened to this thread.

So far it has been more help to me than anything else. Through it I have found hope, friends and a way out.

I hope that we can get over this and we can keep supporting one another.

[ManDownUnder]

....take from it want you want...tis only my opinion. Im not on here to offend, I just am a very 'black and white' person. If you didn't want peoples opinions then perhaps you shouldn't have posted a thread on a public forum!

Life aint always what you make it.....its "life that makes you!!!". I will never agree that depression is a sickness.....I beleive it is self controlled. But yes I do agree that some people have a lot more self control than others, and that is possibly something that cannot be helped.

But far too many people in this world take far too much pity on themselves instead of just biting the bullet and making the most of what they have! after all.....isn't that a far better idea

FWIW, thanks. It's good to have an opinion "different from the rest" in here - and I welcome it personally. I disagree with it, but don't have a problem with anyone posting their honest thoguhts and beliefs - especially experience based.

I have to admit my first thought is to wonder if you will ever get something come back to bite you in time to come (I'm NOT wishing that on you by any means) but I know there is sometimes a "lull" of months, years and/or decades, after which a memory or experience from times gone by decides to pop up and haunt the shit out of someone.

I came through something that nearly sent me into a tailspin a while ago too - and now I'm on top of the world. My outcome sounds similar to yours but I hold a different view of things as a consequence.

I disagree in as far as true depression appears to me to be a very real sickness and beyond the simple control of someone choosing the cheer up (compared with as "fleeting" couple of days or weeks of sadness following some traumatic event, loss of a loved one etc).

That needs to be distinguished from those that simply want attention, don't want to make the most of what they have etc. Those people are simply pessimists in my personal view.

While pessimists and hypocondriacs are part of what we are discussing here, it's important they be distinct from true, clinical, depression. Which is possibly (part of) what you are saying?

[ManDownUnder]

FFS....this is a BIKER forum. You should be looking on a SHRINK forum.
GET OVER THE WEAKNESS AND SORT YOUR SHIT OUT!


Harsh.....YES! true reality.....if ya stop looking for sympathy....you'l actually find you DONT BLOODY NEED ANY!!!!!!

LOL - ok just found this one.

Disagree 200% I'm afraid. Find someone in a wheelchair, anyone that's had an accident, life conspired against them and they lost a significant portion of their freedom.

Sympathy is exactly what they need - at a certain time... to help them come to terms with what's happened, and set them up to find support and assistance to get on with their lives.

Not having a go by any means, but I would urge you to hold your tongue before shouting about **issues you know nothing of. Especially in individual and specific cases where all the facts are not known.

Dunno about Kitty but there are a number of people (myself, and yourself included by the sounds of it) where a significant event happened triggering a period of being "down". To shout at the them telling them to get over it, and calling their reaction a weakness is shortsighted and misguided at best.

Edit - change that to "specific cases". The generic "issues you know nothing of" is out of place. My apologies flame

[MikeyG]

Mate - we didn't see eye to eye a wee while back there... but I'd ask you to reconsider and not remove them. I (for one) won't be able to learn from them, and other with depression are less able to relate to them, and see they're not alone.

Your call at the end of the day though.
Nigel

I had a bit of criticism in person off the thread as well contributing to my decision to remove personal stuff from a public forum.

I found what others have posted helpful so I hope people will PM me and I can help them. Fairly busy this week so won't be able to reply straight away but will try to reply as soon as possible.

[DMNTD:Me]

"The best thing for being sad," replied Merlin, beginning to puff and blow, "is to learn something. That's the only thing that never fails. You may grow old and trembling in your anatomies, you may lie awake at night listening to the disorder of your veins, you may miss your only love, you may see the world about you devastated by evil lunatics, or know your honour trampled in the sewers of baser minds. There is only one thing for it then -- to learn. Learn why the world wags and what wags it. That is the only thing which the mind can never exhaust, never alienate, never be tortured by, never fear or distrust, and never dream of regretting. Learning is the only thing for you. Look what a lot of things there are to learn."

[KATWYN]

"The best thing for being sad," replied Merlin, beginning to puff and blow, "is to learn something. That's the only thing that never fails. You may grow old and trembling in your anatomies, you may lie awake at night listening to the disorder of your veins, you may miss your only love, you may see the world about you devastated by evil lunatics, or know your honour trampled in the sewers of baser minds. There is only one thing for it then -- to learn. Learn why the world wags and what wags it. That is the only thing which the mind can never exhaust, never alienate, never be tortured by, never fear or distrust, and never dream of regretting. Learning is the only thing for you. Look what a lot of things there are to learn."

Thats spot on DMNTD - who is the author of that ? Where was it quoted? I really like it

[vifferman]

I liked it too, although I thought it looked better when quoted, as the italicised script was more aesthetically pleasing.

[Curious_AJ]

Look, AJ - it's not for "no reason" - this is classic depression, caused by a neurochemical condition in your brain. I felt like a 'wave of sadness' for "no reason", and it was because of low serotonin levels in my body.

I'm sorry, but in all likelihood you are unlikely to be able to work it out on your own; you're in a state where you can trust neither your feelings nor your thoughts. Instead of your feelings being under your control, your feelings are being controlled by your neurochemistry, and your feelings are warping your thought processes.

You need help.

that may be the case, but i'm not about to go to more therapy or anything for it... i dont need any more of that... but yeah, i dunno... but im sure i can do it on my own... ive been able to before, and im sure i can again... if only i find whats wrong... when i do, ill nip it in the butt...

as i said before, id rather not drag others into it... even if i dont know them...