Depression...

[avgas]

Yep!... change comes from within...

"You must share ya luv around more before giving it to Buellbabe again" Sorry - i tried.

[Ocean1]

the tinfoil hat thing

Are we refering to the Mel Gibson version or the Charlie Sheen one?

http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php

[vifferman]

Vifferman... you don't need a referral to see a professional counsellor at Lifeline...they are so much more than a call centre.

That's the sort of thing I want to know! Thanx.
It's not a question of expense - just accessibility.

Got anything planned for the weekend dude?

Yeah, household chores, like every weekend.
What I would rather do is:
- Test-ride a bike or test-drive a car
- Buy some technotoys (want a HDD/DVD thingo to replace our ailing 11year-old VHS machine).
- Go for a ride (in addition or conjunction with the aforementioned test-ride.

I am very intolerant of other peoples intolerance.

But are you intolerant of those who are intolerant of those who are intolerant of other people's intolerance?

[Ocean1]

Yeah, household chores, like every weekend.
What I would rather do is:
- Test-ride a bike or test-drive a car
- Go for a ride (in addition or conjunction with the aforementioned test-ride.

Oyy, a've oi got a deal for you...
Since you'll be well up on the chores thing I've got a couple here I could let you do, (no no, it's OK, really). Aaand I happen to have a GT30 and a KLX400 wot need test riding (with a view to certain commercial considerations).

Sunday? I'll stick the beer in the fridge.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

I am very intolerant of other peoples intolerance. The one lesson I have learnt in life is that life will not go as you plan and it is not what happens but what you do about it that matters. End Quote

First sentence: likewise - I try to hide it well - however I just think - they have never experienced "the matter".

The last sentence - how true. I have learnt when someone is in denial - don't walk - run from them. Otherwise you are just beating your head against a brick wall. A counsellor pointed this out to me with regard to the ex husband what was black and white to Counsellor and I - was pink and purple spots to the retard. Now I clicked on fast with the last ex. Remember thinking I'm banging my ahead against a brick wall here - lights went on, bells rang, and blondie here clicked. Oh I am seriously intolerant of liars.

[deanohit]

yea bmw, same thing happened recently to my mum.stepdad couldnt figure out what was wrong and wondering why me and my bros wouldnt go round and see them.then 1 month ago my mum finally left the wacker.he still doesnt think he did anything wrong.it would have helped if he'd taken his meds but he thinks he doesn't need them.now my mum is living in hiding as he has made threats against all of us.now trying to convince my mum to come stay with me for a while and get as far away from him as possible!

[Ocean1]

Hmmm, I've tried explaining it, people nod and seem to take it in but I'm usually left unconvinced that they really understand.

The "imagine you're dogs just died, now imagine feeling like that every day, for no reason whatsoever" story give's them a picture. Trouble is they can't seem to get past that "for no reason".

Perhaps it's that most people recognise that there is actually effective tools for pulling yourself out of a "normal" down, maybe it's thought the same tools work as well for full-blown depression, if you really try hard enough. They often don't of course, not alone.

[Krusti]

But are you intolerant of those who are intolerant of those who are intolerant of other people's intolerance?

Yeah I know.....:slap:

[bauldy]

depression is the worst feeling in the world, I have had a mental breakdown through depression 6 years ago, My daughter was sexually abused so I felt as a failure to her hence the breakdown, I have also lost my brother and anut through suicide and that brought on depression as 2005 was the worst year for me lost our 9 week old grand daughter, my mum was dying in hospital my bro took his life 3 days after his service mum died I totally understand depression and the effects of it, my brother said to me once " I will either die while riding my bike or by my own hand" he suffered with depression since his was 12years old.
here is my advice for those that suffer but don't know where to start to fix the problem
1) pick up the phone ring your doc
2) don't go alone take a person that you trust so if you can't talk they can for you
3) talk talking is the best way to keep strong
4) if you are placed on meds your not alone
5)PM me if you feel stuck, or can't talk I got some pretty good ears
with the help of others you will get back on track trust me been there done it didn't think there was a light at the end of the tunnel...someone should of told me how bright it was when you got there
I hope this helps

as some of you know I organzied ride for hope which is now under the umberella of gems for life http://gemsforlife.blogspot.com/ have a look
I also was reading a thread for riding for depression... that was the idea for next year but the more rides for awareness the better... so if you need to talk or whatever I am listening I hope this all helps...

[jazbug5]

From a news digest magazine over here in the yUK:

How to walk away the blues


"Doctors wrote 31 million prescriptions ofr anti-depressants in 2006 - 6% more than the year before - raising fears that Britons are becoming too reliant on chemical treatments. The most commonly prescribed drugs, say the Times, are the Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs), which include Prozac and Seroxat.
Although these are often effective, the guidelines from the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) recommend they not be used as a first-stop remedy for mild depression. But doctors say that alternative remedies, such as counselling, are costly and underfunded.
However, there does seem to be another type of remedy that is both cheap and effective: "ecotherapy". This can involve anything from a bracing country walk to working on "a care farm" - residential treatment centres where patients can go to do agricultural work. Recent studies show that such studies can significantly improve mental health. Researchers from Essex University asked 20 people suffering from depression to take a 30 minute walk, some around a country park, others in an indoor shopping centre. After the country walk, 71% said they felt less depressed and 90% said it had boosted their self-esteem. After the shopping centre walk, by contrast, only 45% felt less depressed, 22% felt more depressed and 44% said their self esteem had fallen. In a second study, 108 people went cycling or walking, or took part in conservation projects. Afterwards, 94% said such "green" exercise had improved their mental health."

Now, funnily enough, I read a book last year about Wilfred Owen, and he was hospitalised in Edinburgh for a time during the First World War for 'nerves' after spending some time in the trenches. There was a pioneering psychiatrist there (whose name I can't remember, sorry!) who got the patients to work in a garden and on farms as part of their treatment, as well as to visit families in the slums. Apparently very effective, if rather unconventional at the time. Fifty-odd years leter my dad worked on a farm that was part of the mental hospital he was in, and he reckons it was the best treatment he saw in use. So why are we still feeding the drug companies so much money..?

[deanohit]

yea jazbug5,basically it's anything physical that you can enjoy is good because it releases some of the happy chemicals in the brain and as a result even a 10 minute walk should help when feeling down.

[bauldy]

From a news digest magazine over here in the yUK:

How to walk away the blues


"Doctors wrote 31 million prescriptions ofr anti-depressants in 2006 - 6% more than the year before - raising fears that Britons are becoming too reliant on chemical treatments. The most commonly prescribed drugs, say the Times, are the Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs), which include Prozac and Seroxat.
Although these are often effective, the guidelines from the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) recommend they not be used as a first-stop remedy for mild depression. But doctors say that alternative remedies, such as counselling, are costly and underfunded.
However, there does seem to be another type of remedy that is both cheap and effective: "ecotherapy". This can involve anything from a bracing country walk to working on "a care farm" - residential treatment centres where patients can go to do agricultural work. Recent studies show that such studies can significantly improve mental health. Researchers from Essex University asked 20 people suffering from depression to take a 30 minute walk, some around a country park, others in an indoor shopping centre. After the country walk, 71% said they felt less depressed and 90% said it had boosted their self-esteem. After the shopping centre walk, by contrast, only 45% felt less depressed, 22% felt more depressed and 44% said their self esteem had fallen. In a second study, 108 people went cycling or walking, or took part in conservation projects. Afterwards, 94% said such "green" exercise had improved their mental health."

Now, funnily enough, I read a book last year about Wilfred Owen, and he was hospitalised in Edinburgh for a time during the First World War for 'nerves' after spending some time in the trenches. There was a pioneering psychiatrist there (whose name I can't remember, sorry!) who got the patients to work in a garden and on farms as part of their treatment, as well as to visit families in the slums. Apparently very effective, if rather unconventional at the time. Fifty-odd years leter my dad worked on a farm that was part of the mental hospital he was in, and he reckons it was the best treatment he saw in use. So why are we still feeding the drug companies so much money..?

I abousletly agree with you however ( here we go lmao) in some cases gardening and outside activity doesn't work I wish it did, if you can talk you are going to be fine and able to get positives stuff around you it is when you can't talk there is a problem in NZ there is an anti depressant scrpit written out every 4 mins in alot of cases they don't need the anti depressant they need a good pair of ears, but there are more cases in NZ where depression is not reconzied this is where our suicide rate is so high. SO that is where we are in a catch 22 situation.

For me as someone that has suffered depression when I know I am feeling low I go for a walk/ or drive to the beach and figure out what has made me feel that way and if it is because of someone upsetting me I go and talk to them about it because finally I realised that noone has the right to make me feel bad about myself. I am no longer on pills haven't been for 2 years as I learnt that if I don't feel ok about doing anything don't do it, it is what makes you feel comfortable, not what makes others feel comfortable.....

[Krusti]

This is where we have to be very carefull. It is a fact that when we feel really down and sad, lonely, unloved, useless etc that doing something that we enjoy and find relaxing or fun will probably make us feel way better.

However from my experiance when you suffer from true clincal depression no amount of cheering up will help. The hole is so deep that even rational thoughts are impossible. The only help that will work is someone dragging you to a Dr and making you face up to the fact the something can be done.

Funny thing is that it was while I was farming that I had a run in with 'the black dog'. Every task on the farm bought about waves of extreme unexplainable sadness.

Simple fact is that when you have been there you will know. Scary shit indeed.

[bauldy]

http://www.depression.edu.hk

this page takes a while to load but it is great story

[vifferman]

Funny thing is that it was while I was farming that I had a run in with 'the black dog'. Every task on the farm bought about waves of extreme unexplainable sadness.

Simple fact is that when you have been there you will know. Scary shit indeed.

Indeed indeedy.
I found recently there's a step worse than the Black Dog.
It's like having Death himself (no, not the KBer - the REAL Death) loking over your shoulder, and instead of a black dog, a flock of balck, ugly vultures.

Had no drugs at all this weekend, and I'm coping. I feel sad most of the time, but it's OK. Doesn't help that the vifferbabe's had to work all weekend apart from this morning, leaving me with all the chores, but them's the breaks. Still the shopping and dinner to do....