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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroIndex View Post
    Once I got onto (after 2+ weeks) a cocktail of Venlafaxine and Mirtazapine (nicknamed: California Rocket Fuel), my whole outlook on life changed.

    Back to CRF: I mean, since I got onto my new meds, life is looking fucking great... and it's not due to any of the counseling etc (of which I haven't had since I switched). My psychiatric nurse is amazed with my improvement and this Friday, I'm finally ready to go see WorkWise in regards to getting back into the workforce.

    TL;DR - Before the right medical treatment, I couldn't find a reason to live... and now, I can't wait to see what life will bring me next!
    That's really great to hear!
    I'm honestly pleased things have worked out for you, as it's not always an easy thing to sort out.
    I've been on and off medication for .... hmmm... the last 15 years, and never found anything that's worked really well. I remember very clearly when I was first diagnosed with depression, and the very first small dose of ... hmmm... paroxetine, I think it was, made me feel ORDINARY! And not unhappy! It made me realise how shit I had been feeling. Since then, nothing has been quite so effective,
    I've had just about everything my MD or specialists could prescribe, had all kinds of tests, and some meds have worked for a while, then stopped working, then dosage upped, worked, didn't etc etc. try something new, and on and on. Counselling was pointless (and expensive).
    Alcohol can make me feel numb or even happyish, but overall, to be honest, worse.
    A specialist (who specialised in Bipolar disorder) reckoned I was bipolar, and prescribed Epilim, but that made me feel worse than not taking it, so that cured me for a while...
    I thought at the time he was wrong, but now don't. Thinking about it, I've had episodes of semi-mania, with bizarre and creative thinking (connecting unrelated things, crazy talk, etc.) interspersed with really black moods. The mania was entertaining enough to compensate for the shit.
    While I've been on both Venlafaxine and Mirtazapine (the latter for the last dunno-how-many-years), and some other drugs in combination, I've never had both Venlafaxine and Mirtazapine together.
    It gets a bit tiresome being medicated, especially putting up with feeling the side-effects, so every so often I have a break with no meds.
    Thankfully, I've finally got over the major side-effect of mirtazapine (which is used to treat anorexia, among other things, and gives you terrible food cravings, especially for chocolate). I'm currently fitter and lighter than I've been for over 30 years, and I think the fitness has helped (but boring work, NOT!).
    So, I've sort of reached a position of equilibrium, I think. Not happy, but mostly coping. I'm a bit lacking in self-control, especially with booze, or when riding, so while I commute by bike every day, I don't tend to do weekend rides (and it doesn't help that since my wife bought a convertible, she's not interested in going on the bike. Fair enough, I guess). Perhaps I've settled for less than I might be able to achieve, but it's mostly working, which I guess is better than most can hope for, eh?
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

    Dunno really....


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    Quote Originally Posted by vifferman View Post
    I've been on and off medication for .... hmmm...
    paroxetine,
    just about everything my MD or specialists could prescribe,
    then dosage upped, worked, didn't etc etc.
    Alcohol
    Epilim,
    Venlafaxine
    Mirtazapine
    try cannabis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    try cannabis.
    I have, a few times, but that was years ago, before things got complicated, so I've not had the opportunity to check out the 'medicinal benfits'. No doubt I could get some from one of my sons (he's pretty open about everything he does, including all the drugs he's tried). My GP tells me it's his drug of choice too.
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

    Dunno really....


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    Quote Originally Posted by vifferman View Post
    I have, a few times, but that was years ago, before things got complicated, so I've not had the opportunity to check out the 'medicinal benfits'. No doubt I could get some from one of my sons (he's pretty open about everything he does, including all the drugs he's tried). My GP tells me it's his drug of choice too.
    yeah, much better, safer, than a pharmaceutical cocktail, no overdose, easily regulated. there's nothing complicated about it. except society's piss poor attitude towards it.

    you've going to want a nice outdoor indica, not the super skunky indos, the kind you can function on.

    i would give you some seeds.. but after a not so brief discussion with her majesty's finest, i don't have any anymore. i'll get some more sometime though. northshore eh..... where's old scissorhands?

    and you should definitely ride you bike on weekends.

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    Smoking cannabis has fuck all health benefits, apart from helping you to relax, emotionally and physically. Cannabis oil on the other hand, has been proven to be very good medicine for a number of medical complaints. If smoking weed can chill you out long enough to take your focus off of what is ailing you, then your bodies natural healing will kick in. Keep a positive attitude is the best cure for any mental disorder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by unstuck View Post
    Smoking cannabis has fuck all health benefits,
    i'm surprised you think that. it's benefits are many, and well documented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    i'm surprised you think that. it's benefits are many, and well documented.
    Inhaling any form of smoke, is likely to be causing more damage than it would be fixing, lungs are not deigned for the job. All the big pharma companies also have much well documented literature extolling the virtues of their various medications.
    For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. Keep an open mind, just dont let your brains fall out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unstuck View Post
    Inhaling any form of smoke, is likely to be causing more damage than it would be fixing, lungs are not deigned for the job. All the big pharma companies also have much well documented literature extolling the virtues of their various medications.
    independently verifiable unbiased non-propoganda type evidence.

    and no, i smoke like a motherfucker, and am fitter than most motherfuckers. smoke in and of itself isn't *incredibly* harmful, there's certainly worse things that most people huff daily.

    i didn't say cannabis fixes damage (although look in to some glaucoma shit)

    to my mind, even smoked (as opposed to other forms of ingestion) it produces more benefit than harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    independently verifiable unbiased non-propoganda type evidence.

    and no, i smoke like a motherfucker, and am fitter than most motherfuckers. smoke in and of itself isn't *incredibly* harmful, there's certainly worse things that most people huff daily.

    i didn't say cannabis fixes damage (although look in to some glaucoma shit)

    to my mind, even smoked (as opposed to other forms of ingestion) it produces more benefit than harm.
    True dat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vifferman View Post
    I have, a few times, but that was years ago, before things got complicated, so I've not had the opportunity to check out the 'medicinal benfits'. No doubt I could get some from one of my sons (he's pretty open about everything he does, including all the drugs he's tried). My GP tells me it's his drug of choice too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    yeah, much better, safer, than a pharmaceutical cocktail, no overdose, easily regulated. there's nothing complicated about it. except society's piss poor attitude towards it.

    you've going to want a nice outdoor indica, not the super skunky indos, the kind you can function on.

    i would give you some seeds.. but after a not so brief discussion with her majesty's finest, i don't have any anymore. i'll get some more sometime though. northshore eh..... where's old scissorhands?

    and you should definitely ride you bike on weekends.
    Quote Originally Posted by unstuck View Post
    Smoking cannabis has fuck all health benefits, apart from helping you to relax, emotionally and physically. Cannabis oil on the other hand, has been proven to be very good medicine for a number of medical complaints. If smoking weed can chill you out long enough to take your focus off of what is ailing you, then your bodies natural healing will kick in. Keep a positive attitude is the best cure for any mental disorder.


    Quote Originally Posted by unstuck View Post
    Inhaling any form of smoke, is likely to be causing more damage than it would be fixing, lungs are not deigned for the job. All the big pharma companies also have much well documented literature extolling the virtues of their various medications.
    As you know, I prefer to go by actual documented scientific findings and sorry to say, (okay I'm not really sorry ), smoking anything is definitely bad for your health and will damage you, guaranteed. Smoking causes cancer, not just facillitating it. Axzle you need to go and get a chest x-ray and you will see just how damaged your lungs are. That's a challenge, by the way...

    Scientific studies prove there are benefits medically from cannabis, but not in it's raw form. ie: smoking it. People using cannabis may enjoy getting stoned, but the facts are that it's going to cause physical problems, guaranteed.

    Unstuck, it is true that keeping a positive attitude and getting sufficient rest, allows the body a better shot at healing itself, but smoking anything regardless of its mental effects, will cause damage.
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5093201.html

    The party drug ketamine could be the answer to treating even seemingly untreatable cases of depression, according to a growing body of research.

    A new study published this week in the Journal of Psychopharmacology found that approximately one-third of patients with what researchers referred to as "treatment-resistant depression" experienced a significant mood improvement after being treated with up to six intravenous ketamine infusions over the course of several weeks.

    "Three days after the last infusion, the depression scores had halved in 29 percent of the patients," said a news release on the study, which was conducted by United Kingdom researchers at Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust and the University of Oxford. "In those that responded to the treatment, the duration of benefit varied widely, lasting between 25 days and 8 months"

    Lead researcher Dr. Rupert McShane said some of the patients involved in the study had lived with depression for 20 years. "It really is dramatic for some people," he told the BBC of the improvements seen in some of the study's subjects. "It's the sort of thing really that makes it worth doing psychiatry, it's a really wonderful thing to see."

    McShane's study had a small sample of just 28 patients, but his isn't the first to link ketamine -- a Schedule III drug known on the street as "Special K" or simply "K" -- with effective treatment for depression.

    Several studies conducted in the past decade or so supported the idea that ketamine could treat major depression effectively and quickly. In 2012, for example, researchers from Yale University said ketamine seems to "produce rapid antidepressant responses in patients who are resistant to typical antidepressants."

    "It's exciting," Ron Duman, co-author of that study, told NPR at the time. "The hope is that this new information about ketamine is really going to provide a whole array of new targets that can be developed that ultimately provide a much better way of treating depression."

    Another study, conducted by researchers at Houston's Baylor College of Medicine and New York's Mount Sinai School of Medicine, had similar results. Published last year, the study -- said to have been the largest of its kind -- found that 64 percent of patients who had been treated with ketamine reported fewer depression symptoms.

    Though ketamine's purported ability to relieve depression for some individuals has been welcomed by many experts as a possible step forward in the search for better treatments for depression, there are many health risks associated with the drug.

    Commonly used as an anesthetic for both humans and animals, ketamine is described by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration as a dissociative anesthetic with hallucinogenic properties. Some users say that, when taken at high enough doses, the drug can induce a terrifying out-of-body experience known commonly as a "K-hole." The drug is also known to cause anxiety, amnesia and cognitive difficulties.

    Medical experts have strictly warned against self-medicating with ketamine. In clinical studies, the drug is typically administered only in small doses, and patients are always supervised closely. Even then, some patients have been known to exhibit unpleasant side effects.

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    Going back and re-reading this thread from where I departed last time has shown me some nice and some not so nice things.

    Its great to see people being so honest and open about mental health issues, in a time where people are still afraid of the stigma.

    My view on medication, Some people need it to function. Others need it temporarily to help them get themselves out of a hole.
    Hormonal contraception can cause changes in the body and brain chemistry which can lead to worsening of any existing issues, or even the first signs of any.

    You wouldn't deny a type 1 diabetic insulin, or abuse them for needing it to survive. To me, there isn't much difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyhawk View Post
    I dont know what depression is. You can be fine one day and happy, on top of the world and then just snap - break down and never see a way out of the rut.

    This could be Bi-polar. Very treatable. Just remember you are a great person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehovel View Post
    This could be Bi-polar. Very treatable. Just remember you are a great person.
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