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    Damage to Taupo surface by drifters

    The follwing is a long email, the basics of story is this. D1NZ had a competition last year at Taupo before the A1GP which caused damage to the track, it was fixed but the bill was sent to D1NZ who have now asked the drivers to pay the cost, the drivers won't pay and so no drifters are allowed at Taupo until the bill is settled.

    Good afternoon Reuben,

    I left a message on your phone today, was trying to get hold of Nathan but
    lost his number.

    I'm sorry to advise you that we have needed to postpone your day that has
    been booked on the 5th February, due to non-payment of damages caused at the
    last drift meeting here by another party.

    I thought it was appropriate to put down a few points from our perspective.
    I have found it very interesting reading the comments on the forum on
    d1nz.com but don't particularly want to get into the battle of words in
    public. If you cop any flack for postponing your day, feel free to refer
    them to me or refer to my comments below.

    I have attached a photograph of some of the damage caused. I am happy for
    you to put this on the website, it would be good for all to see that
    burnouts do damage the track.
    __________________________________________________ _________

    I would like to make a few comments about the damage and future
    implications.

    1/ There are four damage areas, each consisting of two damaged patches where
    each wheel was positioned when the damage was done, so in total 8 points of
    damage.

    2/ All areas of damage are on the back straight/drag strip. Two are on the
    first half of the 1/4 mile the other two are on the entry into Turn 15.

    3/ The two on the 1/4 mile are of real concern from a safety perspective. We
    get drag cars delivering up to 2500 bhp running on the drag strip and any
    imperfection in the track surface could cause single-wheel wheelspin and
    cause a car to cross the centre line of go the other way into the wall.

    4/ One of the two on the entry inot Turn 15 are right on the racing line, an
    area where cars are subject to heavy braking. Over time, the area that has
    been broken up on the surface will continue to break up and cause a pot
    hole. Where potholes are repaired, the track surface will never be the same
    and will be subject to continual repair.
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    Contrary to some thoughts/comments, damage does get caused by Super 6's as
    well as stationary burnouts. A Super 6, when performed does include a moment
    of stationary wheel spin. Due to the fact that the tyres are already heated
    during the manouver, when the vehicle reaches a stationary point and keeps
    wheel spinning, it scores the track surface.

    We have a number of issues surrounding the damage caused at Taupo last year:

    1/ The drivers concerned were told by me personally not to perform
    stationary burnouts. As property owners, we have the right to over-rule a
    promoter based on damage or safety. Regardless of the promoter telling the
    competitors to 'go and put on a show', we made it clear 'no stationary
    burnouts' but they were welcome to perform victory donuts and we don't have
    an issue with this because it creates crowd enjoyment and is good for the
    growth of the sport when a good spectacle is put on. So long as a manouver
    does not damage our property, we are supportive.

    2/ Any damage caused to the track or venue, is the responsibility of the
    track hirer. If it was a test day that we were running, damage caused is the
    responsibility of the driver (as is noted in the waiver forms that get
    signed). In the case in question, there was a track hirer, so therefore the
    responsibility lies with them.

    3/ We, and other circuits, have a constant battle with getting drifters to
    act responsibily. I need to point out that we are talking about the minority
    and we have seen improvement over time. But every group of drifters we have
    here, there is always one or two that choose to ignore the rules and
    requests and quite frankly, they have been running close to ruining it for
    everybody. They are all decent and reasonable people, but as soon as the
    helmet goes on the brains go out the window.

    4/ Drifters cause more damage and more problems than all other track hirers.
    Common problems we encounter with drifters are smoking in pit areas (other
    groups of motorsport seem to know that this is an absolute no go), oil
    dropping on the track from damaged caused to engines due to over reving,
    used tyres being discarded that costs us to dispose of, massive amounts of
    rubbish and alcohol cans, car parts being left behind (mostly bumpers and
    broken lights), competitors not wearing the correct safety gear, edges being
    ripped up and of course track damage. There are also safety concerns that
    will eventually be stamped on by Motorsport NZ, number one being limbs
    outside of the vehicle during competition.

    5/ At every drifting event in the past 12 months, we have request that there
    are no stationary burnouts performed. At every drifting event that we have
    asked that, there has been burnouts performed. It appears that the message
    was not getting from the event promoters to the competitors, so we decided
    to step in.

    We will allow drifting on the track in the future (once the account has been
    settled) and we understand that it is a hard line punishing all involved in
    the sport for the actions of others, however it has been of our opinion that
    the promoters and competitors don't listen when we enforce a rule. There
    will be changes to how the drifting is done at Taupo. We have spent millions
    of dollars on this facility and will not have it damaged unnecsessarily. We
    understand that the sport is growing and we would like to be part of this
    growth.

    As a point aside, the amount owed to Taupo Motorsport Park is between us and
    the hirer. I would like to clarify though that the figure of $43,000.00 that
    has been referred to on the forum is what it cost us the prepare and
    hydroseed all the track edges in preparation for the A1GP. We have been
    enforcing no drifting since the damage was done at the D1NZ round, but prior
    to that had decided that there would be no further drifting until after the
    A1GP so that we had a chance for the grass edges to strike. There has never
    been mention that the $43,000 was the amount that needed to be paid, I was
    simply pointing out to a group the cost of preparation of a facility such as
    this, therefore we don't want the edges damaged.

    I will advise you once we have opened the track up to drifting again and we
    can then work on a suitable date for your group. Thank you for your
    understanding and patience.

    Kind regards



    Paul Fallon I Marketing Manager

    TAUPO MOTORSPORT PARK
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    Well at least they are looking after the track. The problem with manfeild is that the damage is never repaired. Good on MIT for taking a stand. The drifters should just pay for the damages and then they'd be allowed back.
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    Awesome. Good on them for having the balls to do something about it.

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    oh fuk man, whr am i gona race my skyline nour? fuk thm fukkers, mes and mys m8s are gona go ripp it up on the streats neway. rulz r 4 loozers, piece out.

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    ^^^ pretty spot on! There are people i know that are into drifting that arent like that, and they are more than likely the 'responsible ones', still makes me laugh that there is always a half breed out there that does to drifting to be 'cool' rather than as a sport or skill to improve, and it'd be my bet that they are the ones causing the trouble.
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    So looks like even the remotely sensible 'boy racers' that save their souped up cages for the track cant behave either... bunch of tossers. Hope they get the track sorted soon. Id be mighty peeved if an bike accident happend because of some idiots inability to keep to the rules. Ban them!
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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by postie
    There are also safety concerns that
    will eventually be stamped on by Motorsport NZ, number one being limbs
    outside of the vehicle during competition.
    Yeah I watched the news item the other night on telly, and they showed one dude who does this all the time..... he drives one handed and keeps the right arm out and up (looks like he is giving everyone the one finger salute). He is well known for doing this at every meet all the way around the track when drifting on corners in front of everyone.
    So it looks like they are going to stop him from doing this.
    He thinks he is so cool doing it...... but should he loose control of the car and it flips or crashes, he could well loose his arm or do major damage to it.


    Good on the owners of the track going after the drifters to pay up and take the consequences of not doing as they have been asked to do.
    Not to do burnouts, not smoke in the pits and dumping their blardy rubbish and leaving behind all their car parts (bumpers etc) and ruined tyres (whats left of them).
    Time that some of these drifters learnt to be responsible for their actions..



    PS:I'm talking about the drifters that do this as NOT all drifters do this shite.

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    Like most things in NZ, if it was made properly in the first place it wouldn't be a problem.

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    Haha, of course is has to be the drifters that are the bad boys of Motorsport NZ.


    Quote Originally Posted by crashe View Post
    He thinks he is so cool doing it...... but should he loose control of the car and it flips or crashes, he could well loose his arm or do major damage to it.
    As he could to any other part of his anatomy should he crash. Motorsport (drifting especially) is largely showmanship, or else why would there be spectators. His one arm out the window trick probably impresses the crowd, and that's the aim of the game.


    I'm sure some similar uproar like this will happen after the Crusty Demons tear up Carisbrook next weekend...
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    Typical. A "minority" ruin a venue for other users/participants.
    Interesting comments about all the other things occurring when the drifters are there. Smoking in the pits??? Real smart...
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    hmm not defending the drifters but --i wonder if a1 will get a bill for the damage their cars did to the track surface
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    Has anyone done a trackday on taupo before and after the A1gp?
    I have and the first thing i noticed was how much bumpier it was in a few
    of the corners where they have done some patching.
    Especially the joins where your tyres seem to follow the lines created
    around the curves.

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    So can we chip in and get some cheap bike track days where all the drifter spots are? This stance will obviously free up some bookings I would have thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashe View Post
    Yeah I watched the news item the other night on telly, and they showed one dude who does this all the time..... he drives one handed and keeps the right arm out and up (looks like he is giving everyone the one finger salute). He is well known for doing this at every meet all the way around the track when drifting on corners in front of everyone.
    So it looks like they are going to stop him from doing this.
    He thinks he is so cool doing it...... but should he loose control of the car and it flips or crashes, he could well loose his arm or do major damage to it.


    Good on the owners of the track going after the drifters to pay up and take the consequences of not doing as they have been asked to do.
    Not to do burnouts, not smoke in the pits and dumping their blardy rubbish and leaving behind all their car parts (bumpers etc) and ruined tyres (whats left of them).
    Time that some of these drifters learnt to be responsible for their actions..



    PS:I'm talking about the drifters that do this as NOT all drifters do this shite.
    you get your points allocated by speed, angle and trickiness/showmanship/crowd approval having your arm out the window is one way to impress the crowd, therefore gaining more points.
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    Haha! He wrote it in English so the account will NEVER be settled. Plus it was probably posted on paper to a mailbox. No way that document will be read by anyone involved in drifting.
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