View Poll Results: Ahmed Zaoui - Residency or deportation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    the Refugee Status Appeals Authority New Zealand Refugee Appeal has already stated that he is a legitimate reugee not a terrorist.
    That's because if they don't encourage refugees they will be out of a job
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairlie View Post
    That's because if they don't encourage refugees they will be out of a job


    huge yawn from here

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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    huge yawn from here
    Yeah - it must be tiring defending terrorists
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairlie View Post
    Yeah - it must be tiring defending terrorists
    no more tiring than making bullshit accusations based on hearsay and racism

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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    no more tiring than making bullshit accusations based on hearsay and racism

    Most debates are based on bullshit, hearsay and racism.

    Otherwise everyone would agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    no more tiring than making bullshit accusations based on hearsay and racism
    Using statistics to show that a violent cirminal is far more likely to be of a certain ethnic group is not racism.

    But hey I suspect we'll have to agree to disagree.

    PS: Pretty much everyones racist to some degree, one of my maori friends wants to deport "every fucking coconut" (his words not mine).
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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    ummmm, a 'corporate dictatorship' basically IS a fascist government.

    a system of exreme right wing dictatorial govt usually with a huge links to big business and the military; does that sound like amerika? The MIC as they are collectively known

    it's a description of fascism
    Hitler's Economical stance was Centrist - slightly to the Left of dead centre, in fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    Not even rense.com agrees with your view that right-wing is linked to fascism - they correctly identify Authoritarian ideals as fascism.

    Sorry, but Hitler would have been too much of a "goddam lefty" for GW.

    FYI, here are treatises on various means of gauging an individual's (or a country's) political standpoint that, while they are flawed (as is anything that attempts to pigeonhole something as complex as human ideology), are more accurate than the simplistic "Left vs Right" baby-talk that has plagued us since the French Revolution when the terms were coined:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_compass

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pournelle_chart

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%2...Political_Quiz

    Of them, I find a combination of the "Political Compass" and the "World's Smallest Political Quiz" seems to work well.

    Fascist nations and the USA are Authoritarian/Totalitarian - as was the former Soviet Union and most of modern China - the whole spectrum from "Left" to "Right".



    But back on topic: Zaoui.

    Forget the whole "is he a terrorist or merely a victim of an oppressive and spiteful government" shit.

    He entered the country illegally after having destroyed the documentation he used to board the plane whilst en route to our country - a criminal offence. Deport him for the crime he has committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Forget the whole "is he a terrorist or merely a victim of an oppressive and spiteful government" shit.

    He entered the country illegally after having destroyed the documentation he used to board the plane whilst en route to our country - a criminal offence. Deport him for the crime he has committed.
    Wolf has hit the nail on the head. This is the issue - everything else is a Red Herring
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lias View Post
    Pretty much everyones racist to some degree, one of my maori friends wants to deport "every fucking coconut" (his words not mine).

    I'd love to see what would happen to the country if that happened. Look what's happened to all the african states that have had all the white people leave. How well are they doing?

    ALSO.. It depends how you define racism, as to how many you catch under its umbrella. My own definition of a racist is someone who hates other people because of the colour of their skin or their ethnic background. Someone who hates people of another background because that person is a c*nt is not a racist.
    It's only when you take the piss out of a partially shaved wookie with an overactive 'me' gene and stapled on piss flaps that it becomes a problem.

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    Apparently there is warrents for his arrest in some other countries for god knows what don;t we have enough crims of our own with out letting others into the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maybe View Post
    Apparently there is warrents for his arrest in some other countries for god knows what don;t we have enough crims of our own with out letting others into the country.
    So lets send him to one of them and let their taxpayers foot the bill for a while - they could take it in turns.

    Hope one of those countries is Turkey...
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    Angry Shoot the Fucker:

    Too many bleeding hearts.

    Idleidolidyll get a grip man.

    Have a read of my attachment in Rant/rave:

    Todays trouble is we have too many educated liberals.

    We are told how to live our lives, run our business's, by educated Queer's.

    They tell us how they have their human rights, shit I have to stand by and have my human rights overtaken by their so called greater good?????

    Shit! in our government of the day how many of them are GST registered????
    How many of them have kids of their own.

    As for this prick and his Human Rights, he can stick em up his arse and anyone else that thinks he and his like should be allowed to have a place in our society needs their fucking head removed.

    Go live in his country and see what your rights are.

    As for the United Nations / NZ connection, the sooner it is severed the better.

    A totally corrupt organisation from the top down, and full of multi national queers with degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crack View Post
    As for the United Nations / NZ connection, the sooner it is severed the better.

    A totally corrupt organisation from the top down, and full of multi national queers with degrees.
    The UN. Now we are talking a TRULY bullshit organisation!!!

    As for Zaoui. If you destroy your passport on the aircraft, something is rather suspect. Kick the cunt out.
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    " Todays trouble is we have too many educated liberals."

    hilarious; so we need more dumb conservatives eh?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    He entered the country illegally after having destroyed the documentation he used to board the plane whilst en route to our country - a criminal offence. Deport him for the crime he has committed.
    The international refugee conventions say that he had to destroy his passport in order to enter NZ as an asylum seeker. Rather than breaking our laws, he was complying with them.

    So, to recap the story, Ahmed Zaoui was a university lecturer in Algeria who was democratically elected to form a government. The military didn't like that, overthrew the democratic government with the help of some corrupt foreign powers, put the elected MPs in prison and tortured and/or murdered them.

    Zaoui escaped his torturers (as you would), boarded a plane on a false passport (obviously the Algerian military was not going to issue him with a real one - they were trying to kill him after all). He then destroyed the passport AS REQUIRED BY OUR LAW and requested asylum in NZ as soon as he arrived. Our refugee authority reviewed his case, found that all the 'evidence' of him being a terrorist was lies invented by the dictatorship and its friends, found that he would be tortured and killed if sent back to Algeria, and granted him refugee status.

    The SAS saiys they have secret evidence against him and that he should be kept in prison. But they won't tell anyone what the secret evidence is... makes it just a little difficult to defend yourself against it.

    Meanwhile Zaoui was released on bail into the care of some Catholic friars and there he remains.

    I find it quite astounding that some people here think he should be killed or tortured as punishment for escaping from the people who were torturing him before. He is a man of peace who is being punished for escaping from terrorists.

    Would those of you who are accusing Zaoui of being a terrorist please point to some evidence? Then please send it to the Refugee Status Authority because they have searched for this evidence and couldn't find any. So if you have it, you know something that nobody else knows.
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