A disgusting toddler thread

[riffer]

Well said, totally agree!!

Yup. While growing up (teenager early eighties) I noticed the real troublemakers didn't have dad around.

Even now it's still the same. In fact its more noticeable.

No male teachers at my daughter's school. No preschool teachers at my boys' kindies. What a surprise! yeah right.

A lot of kids don't have any adult male influence in their lives at all.

[greenhorn]

well - here's a little story...

we just returned from a NZ road trip with our 5 month old.
my wife, myself and the mighty sampson.
while changing him in the very handy change table in the timaru public loo, some scruffy old south island hard man shambled in to return his sherry no doubt and grunted "why they have those things in the mens" (pointing to the change table) "is beyond me"

i thought - you sad old fuck.

Gixxer for ever - why does caring for your child emasculate you?
and how does that affect the child perception of sexual roles?

please explain - i'd love to be illuminated by your obvious experience.
Ken

Wow. This thread started off talking about poo and now theres plenty of it flying this way and that...

My three and a half year old is taught to help mum by putting his dirty dishes in the dishwasher, and is becoming quite talented at folding the washing for her too.
I guess this means he's not gonna grow up a "real man" and become confused about his role as a responsible caring adult...
Why the hell cant men drink beer, watch rugby, fart, scratch their balls, spend hours sitting on the bog reading the paper, take a leak in the shower, get tattoo's, have a beer gut, teach their son how to make farting noises with their armpit AND help out mumsy?

I dont do ironing. Even my wife agrees its simply not worth a whole evening to badly iron one shirt. But i sure as hell can make great noises out of my arse and armpit.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Hmmm, what about a widower who is left to tend to
the little un because his wife has passed away?
Does that make him less of a man because he does
womans work?

No. You know there are always exceptions and this is one of them. You are just being mischief's

[Gixxer 4 ever]

well - here's a little story...

Gixxer for ever - why does caring for your child emasculate you?
and how does that affect the child perception of sexual roles?

please explain - i'd love to be illuminated by your obvious experience.
Ken

Because woman have the hormones to do the baby stuff. May be thats one reason they have tits. Men have the hormones to be the leaders and show the kids the way in the world. Boys need to understand that their place is to work hard provide for their partners and be strong in mind and action. Girls need to understand that they have a role to nurture and care for the young. They need to provide a safe healthy environment for their babies. So they learn this stuff from their mothers. Both must respect their parents totally.
Yell all you like but thousands of generations have made us what we are and you can not change it in 50 years. Come on Men are different to woman. I help out from time to time around here but it has got to the stage in this country that the kids are confused because of the way they feel and want to act is deemed to be inappropriate. Nature set this difference. That is why we have problems. Yes Men need to be in the kids lives. I never said other wise. Just be there to set the role for your boys and girl. They are different. What don't you understand.
Men get out from under your partners feet and leave them to do the baby stuff an go and do other things that need to be done. Play with the kids, read to the kids and all that stuff but leave the mothers do the female instinct stuff and the natural balance of life will evolve and you get balanced kids. Not hard unless you are only spoiling for an argument and have your head in the sand.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

A lot of kids don't have any adult male influence in their lives at all.

This is bad but I never said leave home I said let mothers be mothers and be a good father. Live with the family. I agree on all this stuff. I do not agree with men being under the mothers feet all the time and confusing the role of the parents. see post above this from me.

[FROSTY:Me]

At what point did this rule -women nurture, men do other stuff come from?
Don't go quoting nature because example for example I can quote ya where the male nurtures the young.
perhaps its society then?
yea the same society that is makeing men afraid to show affection for fear of being branded a pervert.
or the teaching profession where society has defined our roles so well that a man can't become a pre school teacher.

[Firefight]

Because woman have the hormones to do the baby stuff. May be thats one reason they have tits. Men have the hormones to be the leaders and show the kids the way in the world. Boys need to understand that their place is to work hard provide for their partners and be strong in mind and action. Girls need to understand that they have a role to nurture and care for the young. They need to provide a safe healthy environment for their babies. So they learn this stuff from their mothers. Both must respect their parents totally.
Yell all you like but thousands of generations have made us what we are and you can not change it in 50 years. Come on Men are different to woman. I help out from time to time around here but it has got to the stage in this country that the kids are confused because of the way they feel and want to act is deemed to be inappropriate. Nature set this difference. That is why we have problems. Yes Men need to be in the kids lives. I never said other wise. Just be there to set the role for your boys and girl. They are different. What don't you understand.
Men get out from under your partners feet and leave them to do the baby stuff an go and do other things that need to be done. Play with the kids, read to the kids and all that stuff but leave the mothers do the female instinct stuff and the natural balance of life will evolve and you get balanced kids. Not hard unless you are only spoiling for an argument and have your head in the sand.

sorry mate, can't agree, both my wife and I worked as our kids were growing up, as I worked shift work, and was around at odd times, it worked in well for her to have good rest for the day while I did the nappy changin, feeding, washing etc, ,.When I was growing up my mum was very ill, my dad did all the nappy changin, cooking of meals and cleaning, as well as holding down his job. I do agree with you about the need for men to be in the kids lives, I guess different people have different views about what makes a good relationship, still I am sure it will provoke some interesting discussion.


Firefight

[KATWYN]

where society has defined our roles so well that a man can't become a pre school teacher.

A guy I know became a teacher (of the littlelys 5-8 ) and reakoned at teachers training college there were about 6 guys and the rest were
woman (don't know how big the group was) then by the time he had
finished his training 4 of those guys had dropped out for various reasons
leaving only 2 of them !

He told me that to hell with all this fear stuff, he still shows affection
to the boys in his class (when and if he has too) because they so
desperately need it.

[Hitcher]

Geez Louise! I can't believe half of what I've just read. Let's get the sex role stereotypes out and give them a canter!

And here's me thinking that I lived in the 21st century. John Tamihere has a lot to answer for!

Yes, there are many and obvious differences between men and women. But I thought that a man's role was to be a good husband/father/son, not a rednecked chauvinist dickhead!

[toads]

Geez Louise! I can't believe half of what I've just read. Let's get the sex role stereotypes out and give them a canter!

And here's me thinking that I lived in the 21st century. John Tamihere has a lot to answer for!

Yes, there are many and obvious differences between men and women. But I thought that a man's role was to be a good husband/father/son, not a rednecked chauvinist dickhead!

Well put, My experience is that for the 1st 3 kids hubby didn't get involved at all with the nuturing stuff, but that all changed overnight with the arrival of the triplets, he suddenly got up in the night, changed nappies and the whole thing, he hadn't got involved before that because I was too efficient, and he didn't need to, I don't think he's a redneck chauvinist dickhead though, just crafty!! LOL

[FROSTY:Me]

A guy I know became a teacher (of the littlelys 5-8 ) and reakoned at teachers training college there were about 6 guys and the rest were
woman (don't know how big the group was) then by the time he had
finished his training 4 of those guys had dropped out for various reasons
leaving only 2 of them !

He told me that to hell with all this fear stuff, he still shows affection
to the boys in his class (when and if he has too) because they so
desperately need it.

Note thats boys though Kat-- Ill assume he teaches in a boys school.
Sorry but its a hobby hourse of mine.
Why can't a bloke show affection to little girls if he's a teacher?
Why is our society so sick that a male pre school teacher (given that there was one) isn't allowed to change nappies -especially on baby girls.
When baby bikie was at pre school I used to throw him around and the other kids -boys and girls would all be lined up wanting a bit of the rough house flips n stuff.
I was told in no uncertain terms that I couldnt touch the little girls -for fear i might touch em below the waist.
I mean FFS :spudwhat: :spudwhat:

[vifferman]

Gixxer 4 Ever was just trolling, right? Yes?!?

No?!?

I have three progeny of indeterminate species, but all definitely male.
I changed their nappies when required (like if I was the one who noticed they needed changing, or my wife was busy, or because I felt like it), and when they were very little "younguns" (I'm not sure what the proper technical term is), I got up in the night for them more than my wife did. Because she was tired, and I'm a very light sleeper, and I was awake anyway. I've fed them, bathed them, rocked them in the night when they were teething or sick. I can also sew, cook, clean, iron my own clothes, and it's usually me that cleans the (4) toilets and (3) bathrooms in our house. Why? Because I'm obviously confused about my manhood (because my member, which used to be a thousand miles long, was shot off in the last war), and my role as a male. That's also why I spent nearly 3 years looking after the household when I couldn't get a fulltime job and had to resort to that lowest of occupations, contract computer contracting. Loved the job, hated the loneliness of being a househusband, loved the time I got to spend with the kids.

So.
Now my boys are all obviously very confused, namby-pamby, effeminate wankers. Poor bastids.

Perhaps I should get Mr Gixxer4Eva around to straighten 'em out.

[jrandom]

Gixxer 4 Ever was just trolling, right? Yes?!?

I initially thought so too, and refused to bite, but it's a rare troll that is created by someone with enough skill to present such an atmosphere of verisimilitude, whilst still remembering to retain the correct level of misspellings and syntactical fluff.

I'm picking it as a genuine example of the psychology of the Lesser Kiwi Bogan, commonly known as the Down Under Redneck.

I can also sew, cook, clean, iron my own clothes, and it's usually me that cleans the (4) toilets and (3) bathrooms in our house. Why? Because I'm obviously confused about my manhood (because my member, which used to be a thousand miles long, was shot off in the last war)

I do all of the above, too. And MY member was TWO thousand miles long the last time I took it out of the jar on the mantelpiece and measured it.

[Edit: *And* I was top of my home ec. sewing class in intermediate school. I still use an ancient, tatty gym bag I made back then. Constructed from a tasteful manly camouflage pattern fabric, of course.]

[greenhorn]

Good to hear i'm not the only poofy wanker.
I even wear oven gloves now and then..



Did i say that out loud?

[Hitcher]

My member, which used to be a thousand miles long, was shot off in the last war.

My member would be a thousand miles long if I had taken full advantage of all of the SPAM offers I have received over the years proferring prodigious priapism prostheses and such...