Originally Posted by SixPackBack
But would the Organiser's ''Pay'' for professional Marshalls, im thinking no!...
Tis' the only way to really, but i believe the status quo will prevail....
NEDWN VIII
But would the Organiser's ''Pay'' for professional Marshalls, im thinking no!...
Tis' the only way to really, but i believe the status quo will prevail....
Geriatric hoon
Wow! Pay? Lunch and drinks? Things are looking up
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Chocolate Coated
dont have problem with marshels, how ever i thought that the driver ov the pace car was plain stuped driving four to five meters behind some of the bikes???
if one of the bikes had gone down he would have gone streight over the top of them!
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it only takes 4 to muscles to extend your arm and bitchslap the f#%#er upside the head
Come warm yourself by the fire
I moved around the track quite alot, and yep all the way around i found the marshals quite often not helping.
In the S bend when a rider dropped a bike - there were 8 marshals an 1 truck and trailer. They all did nothing, and a marshal had to run down the back straight and help the rider jump the bike.
I still think that 50% of the marshals out there were awesome though.
Who were the little shits on the inside of the hairpin. Under aged piss heads who being destructive little shits. I was getting really fucked off at them - it was a shame cos at the time i was with my boss so i was trying to make a good impression.
I wanted to make them piss blood. Little fuckers had no respect.
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Hardcore Biker
Did they advertise anywhere for volunteers to marshal? or is it an inhouse thing?
vagrant
Hardsnore Biker
What is the process for red flagging a race under way. Is it every flag station waves / holds out the red?
I had a good view of the prang by the start finish on the first lap of the first F2 race.
There was a red flag at the start/finish long before the bikes came around the hairpin onto the s/f straight. This had me confused, cos I thought they had already started and the red was to form up for the start again. I then looked at the hair pin marshals, but there was no red flag / no flag there at all.
Anyway, the first 4/5 riders came around the hairpin, started to get on the gas, looked up, saw the s/f red flag and stuck out their arms and legs to indicate stopping. But the dude on the white bike was tucked behind his fairing, full gas untill too late.
I know that the guy on the white bike should have been looking, but a red at the hairpin would likely have avoided it as well.
Flat Out Biker
Would like to know the same.
Knowing the importance of this job I would be interested ... Especially if there was some structure in making it all happen. Training ?? Something other than a quick pre-race briefing.
Forum whore
If you are interested in Marshalling contact Angela Vernon [devilzange_holden@hotmail.com].
She is a lovely lady always desperate for volunteers.
In the riders seat
I thought the requirement was three red flags around the track and waved yellows at every other point?
thats how it is done on at events down here
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
Hardcore Biker
No marshalls = No racing.
We are bloody lucky that we are able to get people to be marshals. Its not a bad job , but the rewards other than a primo spot on the track are bugger all.
They usually get about 5 minutes training. Then everybody thinks they know better, grab the flags and get out there.
Enigma
I always offer to wave a flag when I'm not riding and I find it quite enjoyable ! Trouble is I can't stop riding !
One day I'll be a regular though and in fact its probably guys who have been around a long time (road racing wise) that would make the best flag wavers ? Gaz.
For whom the bell tolls
In my experience you are supposed to look in the direction the bikes are going past (i.e in the direction they are circulating).... your flag will only effect bikes going past you, there is no point waving a yellow flag if the accident is before you.
A stationary flag is a caution to slow down and take care, a waved yellow flag means slow the **** down because the track may be blocked, red flag means circulate slowly and return to the pits/grid.
Red flag's are only at certain placed on the track and you need to inform race control and get permission from them before you put it out so that the other points can do the same.
Problem with Paeroa is that they are held by tight time restrictions to open Paeroa up to road traffic by a certain time. Either races are run semi-dangerously, or races are missed. Either way people get pissed off.
I didnt volunteer this year as i know i would *need* to eat about 2-3x the amount of food we were given last year to last the day with a clear head.
It can be a rewarding experience when you get things right, the races go smoothly, and any accidents are seen to quickly so that racing can continue asap. I think that they atleast need to make ends meet for the marshalls that come forward, why should they travel a 300km round trip and spend their own money for food?
I like your idea Frosty, could be worth looking in to, but good luck finding people that want to work on the weekends!
KiwiBitcher
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Hi there,
Could you tell me when this happened? I marshalled at the Pub corner near Father's Tavern during the afternoon, I was watching from the other side during the day and with me at the point we had the AMCC secretary on the radio - me watching approaching bikes and another marshall watching the bikes once they passed me.
On the other side of the same bend we had three other marshalls watching the bikes - one (a current and well experienced racer) with the radio watching the approaching bikes, another marshall who is the chief flag marshall at Puke watching the departing bikes and another marshall with about 30 years marshalling experience watching the run off area.
If you were alluding to the incident where the two motards went down - we could not see the oil on the track that the public were referring to from where we were standing, the oil flag was put up within half a second of the first shout.
The hay bales were small I agree, but that's all the hay they could get - so something is better than nothing.
I've been a marshall at various events for about a year and all the point chiefs (marshalls incharge of their points) were all ex-racers or people with many years of related experience, so it's strange how these events happened. Some of the other marshalls were newbies - so I guess they can be excused - but the point chief at the sidecar incident should explain himself.
There is no "pay" and it actually costs us time and money to marshall. The facilities and quality of accomodation are extremely grass root. We only do it because we like to, don't think there'll ever be any money to be made doing it.
The driver of the car/ bike gets a $20 voucher not the passenger and everyone gets a free t-shirt and some food.
It is not fair to make fun of those who marshalled there, even of the inexperienced marshalls. You get extremely hot, get sore feet and have to be constantly alert the entire day. Having said that - they are there to do a job and every effort must be made to do it well.
Hardcore Biker
First of, let me say thanks to the marshalls that tried to do there jobs, without you people races are nothing!
But back to the point of professional marshalls for street racing, someone said, STREET RACING IS DANGEROUS, So what< does not mean that the risks cannot be better managed
Paeroa and Wanganui make a shit load of money from there events, they make more than enough cash to pay for professionals to help reduce the risk at these events, but it seems there only real focus is to MAKE MONEY!
I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots! ALBERT EINSTEIN
Pimpin Trashie...
Youre right in a lot with what you are saying jsg,
the crash i was reffering to was about the middle of the day , i was on the bend by the tavern, (i couldnt see you if you were there),
now my beef isnt so much with the marshalls , its with the people employing them ( mind you in employement you usually get paid), first of all there should be sufficient training ie an hour previous or by correspondence of sorts,
i agree with sixpackback, if you pay them a fair pay for the day, not only will you attract a better quality person they will also feel responsible..
(just to analyse the "better quality person comment" someone with some experience or knowledge about racing and protocol,)
again the comment was made "charge another $ 5 per person, i agree, and give it to the people doing the job,,
that brings me to another question, where does the money/profit (if there is any) go anyway
there would have been 10-20,000 people there at a guesstimate" x say $10 "= 100 to 200 k,,!!!
hmmmmmm probably all gone on rental barriers etc etc,,
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