Re: Crime concerns

**crack** · 21st February 2007, 17:54

Originally Posted by Deano

If they can ignore a referendum about crime and sentencing, "Joe Public didn't understand the question".......yeah right......then a march would probably be regarded in the same light.

But at least I will be at rest with my conscience: We kiwis are good at whinging, but it is a sad fact that even the French and the Aussies have more backbone, at least they stand up and say enough:

Shit tell me how to bring up my kids, tell me what is best for me, what is best for my kids, and now it looks like I won't be able to SMACK them, not that I do anymore, they have grown out of it and know the boundries, but who will be the first parent prosecuted for abuse because they smacked their child, parent in jail, no money to pay the mortgage, child in a social welfare home,a family destroyed:

Sue Bradford equates a smack with a beating, shit what a Cow:

**Deano** · 21st February 2007, 20:19

Crack - here is one example of MP's reaction to public outcry.

Exide in Lower Hutt storing hazardous waste in business zone abutting residential.

Myself and an OSH scientist visited the site and assessed the occupational and environmental/public health concerns raised by neighbours. Procedures were in place in the event of a 'problem' (read spillage) occurring with storage of the waste material.

OSH and myself were therefore not overly concerned - Exide were relocating the material to a more suitable location and doing so as quickly as possible while resource consent was being processed to store at the other location.

Incidentally, storage of the material up to 500 tonnes was a permitted activity anyway.....

Yet Trevor Mallard jumps on the bandwagon in a newspaper article berating Council and saying they had been complacent etc and that neighbours were justified having health concerns.....very emotive stuff......but since when was Trevor an expert on public health ? And did he bother to contact Council first before spouting his big mouth off in the paper ? No.

All good for securing votes though I guess, which ultimately is what most, if not all politicians are there for eh. I don't believe he even contacted Council after the article to follow through with it.

Stick to sports and stadiums Trev......actually, no, you can't even get that right.

**crack** · 21st February 2007, 20:39

Originally Posted by Deano

Crack - here is one example of MP's reaction to public outcry.

Exide in Lower Hutt storing hazardous waste in business zone abutting residential.

Myself and an OSH scientist visited the site and assessed the occupational and environmental/public health concerns raised by neighbours. Procedures were in place in the event of a 'problem' (read spillage) occurring with storage of the waste material.

OSH and myself were therefore not overly concerned - Exide were relocating the material to a more suitable location and doing so as quickly as possible while resource consent was being processed to store at the other location.

Incidentally, storage of the material up to 500 tonnes was a permitted
activity anyway.....

Yet Trevor Mallard jumps on the bandwagon in a newspaper article berating Council and saying they had been complacent etc and that neighbours were justified having health concerns.....very emotive stuff......but since when was Trevor an expert on public health ? And did he bother to contact Council first before spouting his big mouth off in the paper ? No.

All good for securing votes though I guess, which ultimately is what most, if not all politicians are there for eh. I don't believe he even contacted Council after the article to follow through with it.

Stick to sports and stadiums Trev......actually, no, you can't even get that right.

Deano you are correct, at least he got the Problam sorted, It was an easy fix for him, no party considerations, and it fitted in with the greens.

Shit wouldn't it be great to see a politician go to the same extremes and have to take on his own party in the process, with regard to the the Smacking, Herbal remidies,Law and Order, And don't get me going on Education! portfolio's.

Deano I can only surmise to your frustration at the hypocricy displayed by Mallard.

**Deano** · 21st February 2007, 20:45

Originally Posted by crack

Deano you are correct, at least he got the Problam sorted, It was an easy fix for him, no party considerations, and it fitted in with the greens.

Shit wouldn't it be great to see a politician go to the same extremes and have to take on his own party in the process, with regard to the the Smacking, Herbal remidies,Law and Order, And don't get me going on Education! portfolio's.

Deano I can only surmise to your frustration at the hypocricy displayed by Mallard.

Sweet mate - hey - if it acts like a duck and quacks, it probably is a duck.

**Hitcher** · 21st February 2007, 21:17

Yay! Go Rent-a-mob!

**Pixie** · 21st February 2007, 22:02

Originally Posted by crack

Sue Bradford equates a smack with a beating, shit what a Cow:

that's the kind of logic you get from someone who composts their own shit

**Guitana** · 22nd February 2007, 08:31

Yet Trevor Mallard jumps on the bandwagon in a newspaper article berating Council and saying they had been complacent etc and that neighbours were justified having health concerns.....very emotive stuff......but since when was Trevor an expert on public health ? And did he bother to contact Council first before spouting his big mouth off in the paper ? No.

All good for securing votes though I guess, which ultimately is what most, if not all politicians are there for eh. I don't believe he even contacted Council after the article to follow through with it.

Stick to sports and stadiums Trev......actually, no, you can't even get that right.[/QUOTE]

Trevor Mallard well I've met the bloke whilst playing rugby he's a dirty fuck on the feild and no doubt a dirty fuck in parliament!!!
He speaks Like DAFFY DUCK and spits in your face when he's talking!!!
So no votes from me Ducky!!
It would appear he is an expert in all areas of politics, but all that requires is for you to be a sly underhanded little prick with a hint of arrogance!!!
Can't wait till the elections!!!

**crack** · 23rd February 2007, 00:32

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

I hate to say it but their own affect the Members' selfish interests and you'll be heard - otherwise no...

Which translates to hoping there is a high profile crime about a month before the elections, raising merry hell about it and getting a grieving widow on TV.

Now is the wrong time to march. As was mentioned - the goldfish memories of NZers are famous, and the next event (whatever it may be) will dilute down any mind share you worked so hard to gain.

Yours needs to be that next event. The last big thing before the critical debate or promise is made. Then you need ANOTHER one at the beginning of the penultimate year of term to make sure those in power have time to actually budget and do anything... then ANOTHER one just before the next election to keep it top of mind.

The parlimentary system in NZ
Election Year -1. Bribes offered for next term, and the essential bribes from the last election fulfilled. Don't spend money on votes until you need to - and till it will have th greatest effect

Election Year. Form the govt - under MMP - this takes a while. We all know that, so why are we surprised when Winnie, Rodney, or Janette hold things up to make sure they get their term in the sun?

Do the unpopular shit. Back out of any promises, put up tax, reneg on anything you want. This is the time to be unpopular - people WILL forget

Election year + 1. Start to govern. It takes a while for things to fall into place and the work of laws actually being passed, and undoing the good that was done by the last govt (assuming a party change).

MARCH WHEN: Just before an election, yeah I can handle that, but judging by the response of voters most couldn't give a Fuck!

**ManDownUnder** · 23rd February 2007, 09:07

Originally Posted by crack

... but judging by the response of voters most couldn't give a Fuck

Yup - that's the apathy the Pollies bank on to do whatever the fuck they want...

Q for you - How big was the PM's payrise last time around? Or the time before that - or the time before...

Or - to flesh out my point more - what was it... relative to the average payrise? Now - suddenyl it's a question you can answer... but is it a big deal - to you?

Is it a political issue though - enough to get the chucked out of office? What about the perks? What's the total package worth?

Annualy... and ongoing (i.e. in perpetuity)? There is a LOT of money going into the pockets of the pollies for sitting there and bitching about shit - and by shit I mean trivia - each other, what the honourable member's tie looks like etc... WTF?

Sort the real shit out. I don't mind maying too money to the Pollies - but I want value back. I hope the definition of "reasonable force" does get included in the Bill - because Sue Bradford has (kindly) offered to withdraw the bill if that happens...

THAT's something I look forward to.

The other thing I want is the cops to come down fucken hard on child abusers - they're giving good people like me a bad name.

**crack** · 28th February 2007, 00:14

ManDownUnder:

Matey you are right on the money, everyone bitches, everyone talks about what is needed,voices their abhorrence,but as long as kiwi's vent their spleen,and mouth off, its only going to get worse.

This use to be a shit hot little country, one of Gods best lept secrets, now its all screwed up, just my opinion, and mine alone!

PS: sorry about the late reply.

**Lou Girardin** · 28th February 2007, 05:49

I think it was Marx who called religion the "opium of the people", in NZ it's rugby. As long as we win, nothing else matters. Pollies can do what they like.
That's why Helen Clark, who loaths rugby, had to get to Wellington come hell or high water, just to be seen to be at THAT game.

**Guitana** · 28th February 2007, 07:02

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

I think it was Marx who called religion the "opium of the people", in NZ it's rugby. As long as we win, nothing else matters. Pollies can do what they like.
That's why Helen Clark, who loaths rugby, had to get to Wellington come hell or high water, just to be seen to be at THAT game.

Yeah well she's got a face like a seasoned second rower so I can't understand why she would'nt like rugby!!!

**crack** · 1st March 2007, 02:13

[QUOTE=Lou Girardin;955359]I think it was Marx who called religion the "opium of the people"

Now I cannot remember if it was Karl Marx, or Lenin, that said:
Communisim has nothing to fear from democracy and capitalisim, (look at the new Rushin today) as it shall emplode from within!!.Not an exact quote:

But to a large degree democracy is a state of a countries mind set:
Here in NZ we don't even have a constitution instructing how we want to be governed, and even if we did, NZ being NZ would always be wanting to change it to some poor minority group:

I think a basic constitution which states politicians can only stand for Two terms, then out, and no Govt super scheme, and no govt privillages, etc etc etc.

All govt policy makers (career pariamentry office whallers) have a ten year appointment :

Then bring in the New Blood.

Voting should be for the candidate, and do away with the parties.

The winning candidates should then form a governing group based on a once only public appointment of candidates for portfolios.

IE: mr & mrs Joe Bloggs go into the courthouse and fill in names against the ministerial posts, on a court document:

Those with the most names in common win.

But hey dreams are free.

**Dafe** · 1st March 2007, 05:00

With 600 working kiwis emigrating each week and 800 Immigrants/Refugees arriving each week, It appears that National is loosing 200 votes a week.
Because all these immigrants/refugees are arriving into the country to sit on benefits and never needing to work.
They will obviously return the favour and vote Labour in the next election, to maintain their working free lifestyle.

The country is being destroyed. The standards are dissapearing. The Police Force is no longer. The Air Force is no longer. The Corrections system is highly corrupt. The health system is struggling. The education system is under funded. The OECD rating of the country is slipping back toward the third world countries.

Sure you can march on parliament, but it will have no effect.

Labour has shown so many times before, they do what they want and they answer to nobody.
They are exempt from whatever they decide, as no party has ever been before.
They broke the law in their election overspending, so they rewrote the law to make that overspending legal. While National paid back every cent of their overspending. Even though Nationals overspending was minor compared to Labours.

To be honest, The best thing you can do - Get yourself a good trade or qualification behind you.
When you've had enough and the ship starts sinking, you can always bail for that liferaft called Australia. Aussie will accept workers.

I've often thought about the move across the ditch and I see it as a very real option. I'm kind of keen on the idea. It's just the whole process of relocating, new job, new house etc. If I was a beneficiary, Then NZ would be my one and only option.

I'd much rather be a worker amongst a population of other workers. With taxes coming back to benefit workers. Not to pay for immigrants to sit at home unconditionally.