Smacking kids?

[Quartermile]

Sorry for the confusion about the poll Jim2 and Oldrider and anyone else with the same problem I surgest reading my post at the bottom of page 1 as this clarifies what I mean by the walloping,

If there are any other problems with the poll please feel free to read other posts in the thread as they are free for you to read any comment on, thus the general purpose of a Forum

[Indiana_Jones]

look at the poll figures, many people are against this PC piece of bullshit that isn't gonna stop any child abuse. Easy for Helen Clark to support it, how many kids has that dog had?

bah, it's bollocks. A good smack or belting never did any harm.

and why am I listening to "wild wild west"

-Indy

[Street Gerbil]

"Dad, if you will not buy me that toy, I'll tell everybody that you spanked me!"
Nuff said.

[SPman]

The bill is to help change attitudes and not to stop a good sharp smack on the backside, with an open hand. It will also give some teeth to the police to prosecute people who beat their kids and get off, because it's their "right"
As for this bullshit about making criminals out of ordinary parents! - no one is begrudging the necessity of stopping kids sticking their hands in powerpoints or whatever, without slapping their hands aside, for example, or giving them a sharp slap on the bum - within moderation.

FFS, does anyone actually look at the intent and think things through logically over a period of more than 10 secs, before they explode into selfrighteous indignation about how it might impinge on their "rights" to do something, using preconceived ideas and second hand vitriol to lash out with yet another dose of drivel inspired by loudmouths in a country with one of the highest rates of child violence in the "civilised" - and not so civilised world!
Most parents DON'T bash, wallop or beat their kids, but a lot don't know how to draw the line, where a rebuke or timely reinforcement becomes an assault!
- and just because your parents did it, doesn't make it right!

Its just a sad reflection on society as a whole, that we need a law like this in the first place!

[mstriumph]

................ You can use your experience and cunning ways of being a mature adult to mould your child's growing up process to help them become as good as they can be.

.......................

one of my cunning ways being to sharply slap small, questing fingers away a split second before they reach the hot stove ...................

working from the premise that responsible parents want to guide, not marmalize, their children i think the authorities need to treat the adults like adults and leave them legal leeway to continue doing whatever is appropriate and necessary in the circumstances they find themselves in...............

there are already laws in place to deal with those that beat up and brutalize others [children included] - an anti-smacking law is both superfluous and counterproductive to the rest of us

but its obviously sparking a lot of public debate ..... is it an election year or something?

[MisterD]

FFS, does anyone actually look at the intent and think things through logically over a period of more than 10 secs,

Since when did the "intent" of a law have the slightest thing to do with the way in which it is applied?

That's what makes this bad law, it's making something that most people see very clearly defined (ie the difference between reasonable parental discipline and abuse) into a big blurry mess - smacking is illegal, but if you do it within reason the cops won't prosecute.

There's an amendment on the table to define "reasonable force" but La Bradford has said if it get's passed she'll withdraw the whole bill since she doesn't believe any force is reasonable.

[KATWYN]

Interesting place we will in.

We are told how, when and with who to run our businesses

And now parents are told how they are to discipline their children.

Isn't it all a bit patronizing??

[Quartermile]

Haha some internet forum has listed violent and sadistic threats to old Sue, she say's that she's scared of the fact that people want to physicaly harm her............Quite ironic isnt it

[avgas]

cant give someone rights if they plan to abuse em i say.
How many male teachers are left now after all the bullshit rape claims

[Squeak the Rat]

FFS, does anyone actually look at the intent and think things through logically over a period of more than 10 secs, before they explode into selfrighteous indignation about how it might impinge on their "rights" to do something, using preconceived ideas and second hand vitriol to lash out with yet another dose of drivel inspired by loudmouths in a country with one of the highest rates of child violence in the "civilised" - and not so civilised world!

Are you pot or kettle?

The only place intent comes into this is if you are physical with your child to stop them from further harming themselves. Any sort of physical discipline is illegal.

Creating a law to make something illegal with the expectation that the cops will ignore it is fundamentally wrong. If the politicians don't want it enforced then it shouldn't be illegal.

[Edit:] If i was a cop i would charge *every* complaint I received, even if it was from Ms Busybody who saw johnny get his hand smacked. Because I know how much shit the cops get into if they make the wrong decision, especially when that decision isn't following the letter of the law.

[Guitana]

Haha some internet forum has listed violent and sadistic threats to old Sue, she say's that she's scared of the fact that people want to physicaly harm her............Quite ironic isnt it

That will be the next bill they come up with the ANTI SLAGGING POLITICIANS IN FORUMS BILL!!!
Next thing you know we'll all be wearing green uniforms, driving ladas and calling each other comrade!!!
They treat us like Retards but the real fuckwits are running the country and we're responsible for putting them there!!!
You may slag the Fijians but at least they do something when their govt fucks up!!!!

[N4CR]

alright alright, but back in thoes days there were people who thought *** people should be burnt alive, black people are only good for being slaves, the earth is flat not round etc etc.

is that not allowed now or something? when the hell did that stop??? flat?? wtf? you drunk or something? stupid new age ideologies.

d;

i used to get smacked, wooden spoon, booted etc if i was a little sh1t. and pretty much 99.9% of the time i deserved it and it made me not do it again. much better than having something taken off me or being sent into my room when i was very little (where i'd just break something or cry under the bed lolol) and not learn anything.

bullsh1t bill i say.

[riffer]

Wading in.

My kids have got a whack on the arse at times. I'm probably not going to stop it if they make it illegal. I won't be stabbing them or beating them to death though.

Another thing that concerns me about this bill is the talk I hear about how, say, removing a child from the lounge and placing them in timeout against their will, would now constitute an assault against the child.

So faced with a two-year-old who will not comply with orders and is doing what they do best, namely throw tantrums and break things, would it be technically illegal to undertake any force of discipline against their will which has any physical nature?

[SPman]

[Edit:] If i was a cop i would charge *every* complaint I received, even if it was from Ms Busybody who saw johnny get his hand smacked. Because I know how much shit the cops get into if they make the wrong decision, especially when that decision isn't following the letter of the law.

A bit like speeding, really, isn't it........


Kettle, actually........

Do away with parental "rights", per se and just have the common assault law - what you can't do to an adult, you can't do to kids, unless it is to prevent harm.

[KATWYN]

SMACK...........he said smack for fucks sake..........what the hell has ever been wrong with smacking your kids arse..........i got smacked........what did it teach me..........dont do it again......simple......anyone that votes for this shit needs there head read............i simply cant believe that we have reached the point of this becoming an issue........abuse is abuse........for fucks sake when/how did the average kiwi lose the ability to tell the difference..........when will the spiral of do gooder lets fuck this country once and for all shit end.........................then again when our kids go bad we can always comfort ourselves with the fact that maybe they just have ADHd........or whatever the greenies call it.............bullshit

Did you ever get smacked for swearing so much 98tls.....