Smacking kids?

**crack** · 23rd February 2007, 18:37

I am at work until the 1st, I have emailed this, when I get ashore I will post by land mail, I sugest any of you that feel like wise enclined to do the same,
No Postage stamp required:

Address:

Sue Bradford
Parliamnet buildings
Wellington:

By Law if you use mail, She is compelled to reply:

Email: has no response requirements.

Attached are my sentiments, I have edited my Name & address:

**soundbeltfarm** · 23rd February 2007, 18:39

this just my opinion so if you dont agree i couldn't give a toss.

when i was younger i always got a smack or belt and if i swore or answered back i got my mouth washed out with soap.
i do the same with my 2 kids and now i only have to mention the soap and my oldest pulls into line.
my oldest boy has just started school and boy has it changed since i was there.
for rugby they dont tackle and they talk about there feelings and stuff. now im not saying thats wrong at all because i guarantee my schooling seemed pretty soft compared to my dads. he was always geeting the cane across the knuckles for doing F- all.
my boy been at school for 2 and half weeks ( he 5)
and i growled him for answering back at his mother and he just looked at me and said i had hurt his feelings. Blew me away first time he'd said stuff like that.
the country is getting to bloody soft on people thats why i believe there's so many bludgers and crims ( all been said before)
does that Sue Bradford even have kids? and Helen .
I firmly believe im better for the dicipline my parents gave me.
bet i didn't at the time though.
A law will not stop what the government is trying to prevent.
My 2 cents

SBF

**Swoop** · 23rd February 2007, 20:55

Smacking kids?
Where is the option for smacking sue bradford!!!

An un-elected "politician" forcing her personal views onto the population...

**Quartermile** · 23rd February 2007, 21:09

Sorry she acts like a kid though so I assumed.........

**paturoa** · 23rd February 2007, 21:32

What I've found out over the years is that when they were young, a quick smack at the time was the only effective thing.

I tried withdrawing privaleges, time outs, and good adult talking tos, etc etc. These and the other shite I read in mags and books about parenting had little / no effect when they were younger (little shits just ignored me and did it again - lol - I wonder if their attention span was as short as mine is now?)

Obviously I've made mistakes and got the balance wrong at times, to have made these discoveries. So, sometimes I've used a smack when something else would have been better and vise versa.

How does that make me a criminal - I just don't get that?????

As they have gotten older (and more devious - me too!) I have found that other techniques work better. Lately the "well you've let yourself down" is working in conjunction with confiscation of the cell phone or groundings. So the oldest spawn (13) hasn't had a smack for years.

Buggered if I know what the next technique will be..... wish me luck.

Anyway, the real thing here for me, is bringing up children is about trial and error, and us, their parents, learning as we grow too. Smacks are sometimes appropriate and sometimes not.

On a slightly different angle, I rekon that Sue B's bullshite about smacking not becoming a criminal offence is the same as the Japanese BS about whale research. Why fucking lie????? It totaly undermines her already limited credibility. Zealots are dangerous to uinme

(does anyone wonder how many of the anti-smacking zealots are into S&M? - ...now just visualise Sue naked, bent over, and getting a gee up spanking from Michael Cullen.... - uuurrggghhhh - sorry I just lost my dinner all over my keyboard)

**scumdog** · 23rd February 2007, 21:37

Originally Posted by Quatermile

Ok so here we go what is your opinion on smacking kids ??

Personally I don't see making it illegal making a huge difference as it will be hard to stop the ones whe get serious hidings, and some almost innocent average person is going to get slammed for a slight tap on the hand.

It's a 'feelgood fuck up', won't affect the 'beat them to death' brigade..

It's equal to the dumb-arse pommy gun laws.

Joe Lunchbox can't have a gun.

But 15 year-old bottom-feeder Barry from the London gang has no trouble getting one to blast his 16 year old rival.

Ooh yes, tough laws will really sort them out. (Tuis moment)

**Quartermile** · 23rd February 2007, 21:59

Originally Posted by scumdog

It's a 'feelgood fuck up', won't affect the 'beat them to death' brigade..

It's equal to the dumb-arse pommy gun laws.

Joe Lunchbox can't have a gun.

But 15 year-old bottom-feeder Barry from the London gang has no trouble getting one to blast his 16 year old rival.

Ooh yes, tough laws will really sort them out. (Tuis moment)

Like this:

**pixc** · 23rd February 2007, 22:35

Im sorry if this has already been mentioned but theres 7 pages to catch up on and I couldnt wait to put my opinion in.

Those 'Nanny' shows work because it is an OUTSIDER coming in to 'retrain' the kids and family. I dont know about other parents here, but I know that my kids refuse to eat certain foods I cook, and my boy is very very trying almost every day (ADD). Now, when these two angels of mine go to nana's or grandma's for a for a holiday, they eat the same things they refuse to eat from me, and they are very well mannered. How ever, I believe all the bullshit the would have given me in that time is saved up for when they get home because the shit hits the fan for a day or so and its a battle to re-establish whos the bloody boss!!

As for smacking, yes I smack my kids. I havent smacked my daughter for 3-4 years because she know the rules through and through and when I say no I MEAN NO!!

As for the boy, well, he is like a little pit bull and on the go. He is always always testing his boundries. I havent smacked him for 1-2 years ..except for yesterday. I took to the littel shit with the wooden spoon. Boy was my name mud and I had all the threats spat out at me as well as some pretty choice words. I remainded quite calm I feel in my dealing of punishment but I felt it had to be done after grounding, and removel of privilages didnt work. The boy has taken to sumersulting of a 10-15 meter high pile of sawdust thats at the back of the property. 3 times I found him there. And 3 times he was growled and told how dangerous it was and that he was not to go there. IT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS. The fourth time I took to him with the wooden spoon. My message was loud and clear, as is my role as being a mean bitch. But fark it. Arrest me for punishing my boy, for protecting him from himself. He is a very strong willed little man, and he needs a firm hand to maintain his boundries.

**Quartermile** · 23rd February 2007, 23:00

Yea it has been mentioned but oh well

I'm currently not having alot of faith in TV alot of these 'real life' shows seem to be a bit scripted like the nanny show which oh as their starting to loose popularity come up with something like, 'ok you parents need to fight back for ratings!!'

Oh Sh!t

I just jacked my own thread

**scumdog** · 24th February 2007, 11:36

Originally Posted by pixc

. IT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS. The fourth time I took to him with the wooden spoon. My message was loud and clear, as is my role as being a mean bitch. But fark it. Arrest me for punishing my boy, for protecting him from himself. He is a very strong willed little man, and he needs a firm hand to maintain his boundries.

Has he stayed away from the saw-dust pile since then??

**Harry33** · 24th February 2007, 12:45

And now for another spin....

I not sure why everyones so worried, they way I see the future if you want to buy a house in NZ you won't be able to afford to have/smack kids anyway. Like dropping to a single incomes going to pay for the fuckin house.

**pixc** · 24th February 2007, 15:26

Originally Posted by scumdog

Has he stayed away from the saw-dust pile since then??

So far so good.

**pixc** · 24th February 2007, 15:28

Originally Posted by Harry33

the way I see the future, if you want to buy a house in NZ, you won't be able to afford to have/smack kids anyway. Like dropping to a single incomes going to pay for the fuckin house.

Sad but seems to be true.

**mstriumph** · 26th February 2007, 17:46

Originally Posted by SPman

An occasional light smack can be very effective when all else fails.

It's effectiveness, however, generally diminishes with constant use.

it's a bit like puppy training

the rebuke, accompanied by a stern "no" ............. after a coupla times just the "no" works, all by itself

anything else is a failure to communicate

**Motoracer** · 26th February 2007, 18:05

Originally Posted by Fish

Mrs Fish likes to say that, although sometimes she has to retreat all the way to "Well, I know what I mean..."

My point remains relevant. Your language confused social policy with unrelated political issues. That sort of approach is what gets debates fucked up and off track.

Yea OK OK, point taken.

The rest of your post confuses me. Simply because I don't know enough about the bill or the legislation that the debate is about. All I have been doing is voicing my opinion on smacking or not smacking in general. I have a good position to do so because I was smacked or lightly slaped once and that was probably it from my parents in my whole life. I never really knew I was such a minority until this debate and poll started.

To further discuss in this topic, I'll have to educate myself with a bit more research...