Whetu Te Hiko

[Finn]

Ah - a red herring would probably feed the little penguin for a bit....

Now you're suggesting we feed the maori's to the penguins. You really are racist Paul. Yes it gets a bit tiring discussing maori's issues with lefty do-gooders, especially when we've had 3 terms of handouts and the problems are much worse. Tell me, you'd know, who was that famous maori chief that told the white man "If you want my people to succeed, you must stop giving them things?"

[The_Dover]

Tell me, you'd know, who was that famous maori chef that told the white man "If you want my people to succeed, you must stop giving them things?"

The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Charles Royal, but I don't recall him saying that.

[Paul in NZ]

Now you're suggesting we feed the maori's to the penguins. "

No - that would be a brown herring. You colour blind and well as threatened by anything brown? Maybe you got molested by a teddy bear when you were young?

You really are racist Paul. "

See previous replies...

Yes it gets a bit tiring discussing maori's issues with lefty do-gooders, especially when we've had 3 terms of handouts and the problems are much worse.

Sorry if you are out of breath but if you repeat this argument 10 times a week we will soon have you built up. But I agree - it's not working - lets try something new - refer previous posts.

Tell me, you'd know, who was that famous maori chief that told the white man "If you want my people to succeed, you must stop giving them things?"

I think it was the famous maori philantropist Te Rangi Finn and the full qoute is " For fucks sake - If you want me to succeed, you must stop giving them things that i can sell them at a decent profit"

Seriously - no idea but would be keen to know. I remember listening to some sort of roundtable discussion on the BBC one night when I was working on one of my old wrecks. Some Middle eastern journalists and Ms Rice. Similar sentiments were expressed. - almost a direct quote from memory (which aint to good frankly)

[Finn]

The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Charles Royal, but I don't recall him saying that.

No, you're getting confused with Colonel Sanders. He said "If you want your people to integrate with the white man, they've got to eat my chicken."

[Patrick]

Funnily enough I watched an article on telly about a prison in the USA which has done just that. They reckon it cut recidivism in a really big way.

I missed the show at the time but heard about it here on KB... You are right though, it definitely cut back repeat offending by massive margins. Gotta be good for the economy andpublic safety etc etc....

[Wolf]

Funnily enough I watched an article on telly about a prison in the USA which has done just that. They reckon it cut recidivism in a really big way.

Yeah but we can't do it here as it would be "demeaning" and therefore "emotional abuse" of the prisoners...

Gods forfend that we should make the poor under-privileged, disadvantaged crims feel worse about themselves than they already do (owing to their deprived childhoods, broken homes, uncaring parents and cruel society)

[Finn]

Yeah but we can't do it here as it would be "demeaning" and therefore "emotional abuse" of the prisoners...

Gods forfend that we should make the poor under-privileged, disadvantaged crims feel worse about themselves than they already do (owing to their deprived childhoods, broken homes, uncaring parents and cruel society)

Ah crap, now you gone and upset Paul.

[doc]

Exactly - all the 'systems' didn't work and failed those kids. The justice system has yet to produce a result - why not try an alternate - whats to loose? (personally I'd just shoot the lot of em but thats no longer allowed)

It's not the systems fault. We have a generation of kids raised the Kahui way. They are old news compared with what's comming. You can't fix it. It's life we have to get use to it.

[Paul in NZ]

Ah crap, now you gone and upset Paul.

Not in real life, just the left wing Paul you invented so you can spout right wing justifications...

[Paul in NZ]

It's not the systems fault. We have a generation of kids raised the Kahui way. They are old news compared with what's comming. You can't fix it. It's life we have to get use to it.

I don't think we should accept the status quo or let the lawless barbarians (no barbarians does NOT = Maoridom Finn) dictate the standards or actions of the majority.

I do agree with you though - society is in for a flood of this kind of rubbish.

[Paul in NZ]

Yeah but we can't do it here as it would be "demeaning" and therefore "emotional abuse" of the prisoners...

Gods forfend that we should make the poor under-privileged, disadvantaged crims feel worse about themselves than they already do (owing to their deprived childhoods, broken homes, uncaring parents and cruel society)

You don't need to do that. Most prisoners dislike the endless boredom and would welcome some meaningful activity. We could try making them feel proud for doing some good in the community for a change.

[The_Dover]

I don't think we should accept the status quo or let the lawless barbarians (no barbarians does NOT = Maoridom Finn) dictate the standards or actions of the majority.

I do agree with you though - society is in for a flood of this kind of rubbish.

I agree with you paul.

barbarians = all darkies

[Finn]

Not in real life, just the left wing Paul you invented so you can spout right wing justifications...

One law for all and being responsible and accountable for your own actions is not right wing Paul.

[Finn]

You don't need to do that. Most prisoners dislike the endless boredom and would welcome some meaningful activity. We could try making them feel proud for doing some good in the community for a change.

Typical bleeding heart lefty, talking crap like it's fact. Oh those poor, poor prisoners. Hahahahahahaha.

Proud doing some work in the community? Like what, helping Grandma cross the road?

[onearmedbandit]

Reminds me of the gang member with literally hundreds of prior convictions. To make him feel better about himself they let him into the community to do some work. And to make sure this violent (some of his convictions were for violent attcks) criminal didn't escape he was made to sign a promisary note that he wouldn't escape. He escaped.