Not guilty (Police sex case verdict, 1 March)

[Swoop]

I wonder how many "crimes" there are left in NZ. You do not seem to serve any jailtime for rape/murder/burglary/etc.

Breaking Heilen's shop window get's you charged with sedition though.
The prosecutor might have had better luck getting these "three upstanding members of the community" convicted with a charge of "whistling on a Tuesday" perhaps?


I believe the lawyers won.
Ominous on the day that legal aid has been extended to a greater portion of the public...

[kiwifruit]

I wonder how many "crimes" there are left in NZ. You do not seem to serve any jailtime for rape/murder/burglary/etc.

Try doing a smidgen over 100km/h (111km/h) on a quiet country road with no traffic, unlimited viability, good road conditions, on Christmas eve.
That, is a real crime.

[scumdog]

Try doing a smidgen over 100km/h (111km/h) on a quiet country road with no traffic, unlimited viability, good road conditions, on Christmas eve.
That, is a real crime.

Pedant alert:

Glad you think so, it's an 'offence'




I tried offering a $100 for a battery (only a 'smidgen' under the $111 price).

But the seller wouldn't buy it.

[Paul in NZ]

Why was the case even brought in the first place? It's 20+ years ago, and was always going to be her word against theirs - a waste of time and money from the get go.

Not so - it may have stopped a moraly bankrupt person from getting his hands on the top job...

[kiwifruit]

Pedant alert:

Glad you think so, it's an 'offence'




I tried offering a $100 for a battery (only a 'smidgen' under the $111 price).

But the seller wouldn't buy it.

heh heh

still, not getting the discount on the battery wouldn't have cost you your job?

[Edbear]

But the seller wouldn't buy it.

Doncha jus love the English language?

Personally I think Magicfairy makes a valid point regardless how we may feel about the accused.

[terbang]

Aargh sheesh the law eh..! One lawyer was smarter than another and won. Three crooks get away with an absolute abuse of their positions and power, twice. Not a good message.

[doc]

And they quite possibly are. But that's not the point. Twelve of their peers, presumably not complete idiots, listened, presumably attentively, to all of the evidence, and then came up with a carefully considered verdict. The judicial system in this country only allows two possibilities. A "not guilty" verdict simply means that the prosecution has failed to prove its case. Considering the difficulties that the alleged victim's evidence presented the verdict is hardly a surprise.

So they are guilty still, just the evidence isn't up to scratch. Maybe next victim once she remembers will get the evidence correct. Third time lucky and all. and if you are still teaching english had better not pick on my grammar too

[Guitana]

heh heh

still, not getting the discount on the battery wouldn't have cost you your job?

Should've offered the cop a smidgen under a hundred bucks to let you off nudge nudge wink wink!!!!

[terbang]

I'm surprised that Messrs Schollum and Shipton have not been interviewed for comment after either of their past two trials...

Yeah well they would have to go to jail to do that.

[Crisis management]

A real pity that justice wasn't done. I have to give credit to those two women that have stood up against these guys, it took a lot of courage to challenge them.

Where's the Sensible Sentencing trust when you need them.....

[scumdog]

So they are guilty still, just the evidence isn't up to scratch. Maybe next victim once she remembers will get the evidence correct. Third time lucky and all. and if you are still teaching english had better not pick on my grammar too

Why should I pick on your grammar?
Picking on old ladies is not my style, 'specially a KBers grammar.

[scumdog]

So they are guilty still,

No, if they were guilty they would have been sentenced.

Maybe in some peoples eyes the ARE guilty - but those 'some people' were not the jury.

[scumdog]

I wonder how many "crimes" there are left in NZ. You do not seem to serve any jailtime for rape/murder/burglary/etc...

Yesterday a guy down here got 21 months inside for hitting another guy on the head with a bourbon bottle, only hit him once, no real lasting damage.


(And the 'victim' had it coming from a long time ago - he's an arsehole who took a knife to a fight and stabbed somebody - and that's just some of his resume')

[Pwalo]

Come on guys, get a grip. They were found not guilty because there was insufficient EVIDENCE to prove their guilt conclusively.

Personally I'm glad that our justice system requires proof of guilt rather than of innocence.

(I'm not too sure about the necessity of implicating yourself if you have a photo taken whilst your vehicle is over the posted speed limit though).