Aresholes con a jury, part two

[Patrick]

Thanks Marty.
Now I see where the problem is, there has to be a penis involved..? How wrong could we have been here because the law doesn't mention anything about a police baton, only a penis..! Why would any avid follower of the law raise even an eyebrow over penetration by a police baton.. Cos its the law innit..?

Sexual Violation is also defined and covers batons, bottles, baseball bats, fingers... whatever you use...

[Guitana]

Sexual Violation is also defined and covers batons, bottles, baseball bats, fingers... whatever you use...

What about FZR1000's??????

[terbang]

Dude I'm calm. Its like crashing a plane, you can bury your head into the law books as much as you like to find out who is wrong or right (DC 10 on Mt Erebus springs to mind). Whatever the finding the damage is still done. In the case of Erebus there was a smoking hole in the ground that no law book can hide, though part of the evidence was described as 'An orchestrated litany of lies'. The families of the victims just had to live with that and those at fault retired on big bonuses. like in this case where young women not connected to each other believe, enough to bare all to the world, that they were sexually violated and eventually spoke up. Also in this case they and their families have had to live with it for 20 years. Whilst the law cannot undo that it can prevent those that did it from doing it again. This has been done in the cases of Schollum and Shipton, but what about Rickard..? Or do you truly believe that he had nothing to do with them in any of their sorded past..?

[Hitcher]

Or do you truly believe that he had nothing to do with them in any of their sorded past..?

Not proven beyond reasonable doubt. Case closed. Get over it.

[terbang]

Not proven beyond reasonable doubt. Case closed. Get over it.

Still didn't answer my question though. What do you believe..?

[ManDownUnder]

Hey terbang - this is obviously a personal issue for you, and that I respect.

You're on a hiding to nothing if you keep pushing this though. I can claim the defence "I don't know - because I'm not privy to all the facts" and I can claim the same of you.

Not belittling the subject - and you'll have to trust me, I have very good reason not to... let it slide if you can. We're going to end up enemies over the interpretation of the law soon.

Not worth it

[Dafe]

I've always found that a persons face really does reflect their nature.

But fark me, if Rickards hasn't gotten the most viscious looking face I've ever seen.
Rickards face is just as I would have imagined Graeme Burtons face to be.
He's one nasty looking mutha fuggar!

But then again, Nicky is all full of shit.
So whose to say this woman Louise Nicholls isn't.

All i know is, I'm glad he's in Auckland.

[ManDownUnder]

I've always found that a persons face really does reflect their nature.

ummm... you just found the perfect excuse to get off Jury Service.

"Your Honour - I've found that a persons face..."

While you're at it - go lock this guy up - he looks pretty damned sus. Obviously a bad bastard....

[Macktheknife]

With all due respect, I think the many thousands of men who are rape victims would strongly disagree with that statement.

Society has to get over the notion that rape is a crime that only happens to women. Men are statistically more often the victims of violence than women are, with sexual violence being a component of that.

Thank you for pointing that out, I was about to do the same but possibly not as nicely.
At the end of the day, anyone who goes to trial can only be convicted on the available evidence, if there is evidence that is not directly related to the particular case it cannot normally be used. If the Jury convicts someone based on a previous conviction then there is no hope for anyone to try and change their lives, granted there are not that many who do but it is vital to allow for it.
You may have a different opinion of the result of the trial but opinions are like armpits, everyone has at least one and they often stink.
I believe that the passions of people have obscured their ability to be unbiased and consider the evidence as it is.

[Macktheknife]

Still didn't answer my question though. What do you believe..?

I think you are missing the point here mate....
What anyone believes is not important, the only thing that counts is the proof or evidence that the events occurred in the specified manner by the specified people.
You may feel this is unfair, that is your right, but please allow others their opinions and rights too.

[Hitcher]

I've always thought it to be a bit sad that some men feel compelled to inflict themselves with a chemo haircut. Explicit views of cranial imperfections, old footie scars and shaving knicks don't do it for me, but then again, I guess I'm not the "target market". Ladies, what are your thoughts about guys with "knob heads"?

I suppose if one was an Olympic swimmer or competitive buttered-head thruster, a closely-shaved head could have advantages...

[Scouse]

Point 1... Trolling, I see....

Gee your observant if your not carfull you will make detective

[JimO]

"Con a jury" right?
Just like everybody else found not guilty by a jury 'conned' them too???

i agree with scummy if they were found guilty the jury was right but because they are not guilty the jury is wrong

[kave]

I think you are missing the point here mate....
What anyone believes is not important, the only thing that counts is the proof or evidence that the events occurred in the specified manner by the specified people.
You may feel this is unfair, that is your right, but please allow others their opinions and rights too.

The role of the state is to be seen carrying out justice, failure to do so can lead to vigilantie justice and gangsterism, in other words belief can be more important than fact. Whether an defendant is actually guilty or not is unimportant compared with the outcome if the general populace starts to believe that the justice system is toothless and the only way to acheive a reasonable outcome is too take matters into their own hands.

Just playing devils advocate here as I am unsure of my own view on this matter at the moment.

[Lissa]

I've always thought it to be a bit sad that some men feel compelled to inflict themselves with a chemo haircut. Explicit views of cranial imperfections, old footie scars and shaving knicks don't do it for me, but then again, I guess I'm not the "target market". Ladies, what are your thoughts about guys with "knob heads"?

I suppose if one was an Olympic swimmer or competitive buttered-head thruster, a closely-shaved head could have advantages...

Well to be honest... if a guy is losing his hair, its much better to shave it all off then have a comb over