Windows Vista

[The_Dover]

No, just your statement is borderline moronic.
Two small things, you don't need a 'high spec pc' to switch it on. Of course, given that you're a computer noob (pretty safe presumption based on what you've posted so far), your idea of high spec might be different to someone who knows about computers. You should also note that this is a pattern that has been followed over every major Windows release... most computers of the day struggle off the bat.
Errr, I think the 'fucking cock' would be the man who (and take your pick, not all of these need apply even though they probably do)
- Brought a new PC knowing that a new operating system was coming...
- Brought a copy of Vista to 'use a web browser'
- Installed an OS he didn't even need (XP has a web browser you know...)
Not at all, but I suspect you're one of those cocks who has no vision of the future, makes snap judgements based on the very small amount of knowledge you have, and really shouldn't whinge about things you don't understand.

You are a fuckwit man.

You base your assumption of my PC knowledge on the fact that
a) I think it's criminal that a modern operating system should be such a bloated fucking pig.

Imagine if a modern airliner needed a crew of 50 to transport 25 paying passenger? Do you think any airlines would buy them?

b) I bought a new laptop knowing a new OS was about to be released.

I had no intention of upgrading to Vista you fuckhead, I haven't paid for it, and I bought a new laptop because my PC died and I couldn't be fucked rebuilding it. It was Christmas and I wanted to communicate with my family in the UK, face to face.

c) I installed an OS that I didn't need.

I figured it was free and I could evaluate it to be used on the workstations in my office. It wont be getting used suffice to say.

You are obviously one of these geeks that masturbates over every new hardware release when in fact a fucking 5-6 year old PC will suffice for your average user.

If you think Vista is the way the future should be then you are borderline retarded.

Unfortunately, as with previous OS releases it will be forced upon us like a cop on a teenage girl. However, I have never installed any prior release of windows and watched it grind along like this heap of shit did.

Explain why my statement was moronic you fucking knob end????

It's an operating system, the least it should do on modern day hardware is fucking operate. It's like an asthmatic, one legged marathon runner with blisters and a lack of access to ventolin.

It's shit.

[imdying]

You are a fuckwit man.

Well, can't deny that can I... I mean, it takes one to know one, and I guess you've got me down pat.

You base your assumption of my PC knowledge on the fact that
a) I think it's criminal that a modern operating system should be such a bloated fucking pig.

Yep, you've apparently got very little comprehension of what a bloated fucking pig really is... Do you remember your last OS? XP was it? Do you remember when that came out? Most machines didn't even have 128MB... only 'high spec' ones were around that, and even then plenty weren't... Do you remember how crap XP ran on anything less than 256 (or lets face it, 512mb).

Imagine if a modern airliner needed a crew of 50 to transport 25 paying passenger? Do you think any airlines would buy them?

I think I know what you're getting at... and yes, in case you're wondering, you're showing your extreme shortsightedness yet again.

I had no intention of upgrading to Vista you fuckhead, I haven't paid for it, and I bought a new laptop because my PC died and I couldn't be fucked rebuilding it. It was Christmas and I wanted to communicate with my family in the UK, face to face.

Oh noes! Your free operating system doesn't do what you want... gee, what a rip off

I figured it was free and I could evaluate it to be used on the workstations in my office. It wont be getting used suffice to say.

Fair enough.

when in fact a fucking 5-6 year old PC will suffice for your average user.

Heh, get this...So will a 5-6 year old operating system!

If you think Vista is the way the future should be then you are borderline retarded.

Again, you shouldn't really comment on things (grossly) outside your area of knowledge.

Unfortunately, as with previous OS releases it will be forced upon us like a cop on a teenage girl. However, I have never installed any prior release of windows and watched it grind along like this heap of shit did.

Either you've never been an early adopter, weed has fucked your memory, or you're a liar.

Explain why my statement was moronic you fucking knob end????

But you already know why....

[James Deuce]

You can turn off the file deletion protection, but for those of you who have complained about it and not done anything about turning it off, I'd suggest leaving it on just in case you do a mass .dll deletion, and then call the support guy and abuse the fuck out of him for not being able to save you from your own stupidity.

As for the slagging match.

For GOD'S sake children grow UP! Macs are good for some stuff, PCs for other, and Vista is going to be an administrators dream, especially compared to XP.

[MOTOXXX]

how do you find it with roaming profiles.

i installed it on a test pc at one of my larger clients and couldnt get 3 of the main applications they use to work on it.

[James Deuce]

Been messing with RIS servers to distribute different OSes (RIS on the following Virtual Servers - Win 2K Server Std, Ent, Data Centre; Server 2003, Std & Ent) and trying to mix it up to see what works on the (virtual again - Win 2K, XP Pro, Vista Bus.) workstation end.

Only thing that works reliably is Vista Business Ed. and Office 2007 - surprise, surprise. Very early days yet though, though the unattended install process is a lot easier to customise than Windows 2000 for example, and you can go well beyond the GPC scope in terms of setting user rights on PCs.

Haven't tried Roaming Profiles yet.

[Brian d marge]

Not so long ago: Windows NT4sp6 used 17mb out of the available 192mb RAM

MS has gone downhill since.

Whilst I'm going to make the move to Linux at home (upgrading from Windows 2000), I'll continue to work with MS Windows because it brings in my bread and butter.

Aint that the truth

Though I am relearning Cad ..and it will be 100 % windows free

I use ,,Xp Win 2000 and Ubuntu

I am not a computer person ..I switch on type in tokyo-247 err pron err ..work related important stuff and it works ,, or I throw my toys

Win 2000 works ok .. cant go to russia .com or its reload time ...same with Xp

Installing programs a breeze with Xp 90 % ok with ubuntu ..

Crashes.. ( This linux has been running cotinuously for a week an locked a programe once .. when I loaded up te chp to much ,,and I couldnt be arsed waiting so hit the reset..) Window ,,, once a day , or once evey 2 days , ..restart ( but its pretty ok if u use Ms software ,,,)


Verdict windows IS easy to use ...but once you have a bit of knowledge ubuntu is awesome ...

Vista ,,, well at 25 000 yen compared with ubuntu free ...( ubuntu does take a bit of work sometimes )

I will trade the money for the box ...Sorry windows ..but as the market of computer shy people die away .... so will the market

With hand on heart , as a computer UN intelligencia ... sticking with Ubuntu ...

OR buy a mac ( not that I have tried one ) ...


I watch this space carefully ...I will be interested in MS market share ....


STEPHEN

[scracha]

in particular Sharepoint Server, Groove and so on. Some very cool stuff that allows a business to keep their IT resources and shared property (docs, emails etc) self managed and organised.

Hmm, I thought Groove looked like a white elephant. Too expensive for SME's (they'll just use FTP, synctoy or some type of bittorrent client) and not really good enough for enterprise level (who'll just use hardware VNC).

As for Sharepoint, it's not actually much different to version 1. A lot of the features can only work with MS Office documents too. The "workflow" stuff is too complicated for most customers and if they're going to bring in a programmer/consultant to do the work then I very much doubt whether the programmer/consultant will use that particular forms based tool. Cut down version of Access/Foxpro IMHO

[James Deuce]

Aint that the truth

Though I am relearning Cad ..and it will be 100 % windows free

I use ,,Xp Win 2000 and Ubuntu

I am not a computer person ..I switch on type in tokyo-247 err pron err ..work related important stuff and it works ,, or I throw my toys

Win 2000 works ok .. cant go to russia .com or its reload time ...same with Xp

Installing programs a breeze with Xp 90 % ok with ubuntu ..

Crashes.. ( This linux has been running cotinuously for a week an locked a programe once .. when I loaded up te chp to much ,,and I couldnt be arsed waiting so hit the reset..) Window ,,, once a day , or once evey 2 days , ..restart ( but its pretty ok if u use Ms software ,,,)


Verdict windows IS easy to use ...but once you have a bit of knowledge ubuntu is awesome ...

Vista ,,, well at 25 000 yen compared with ubuntu free ...( ubuntu does take a bit of work sometimes )

I will trade the money for the box ...Sorry windows ..but as the market of computer shy people die away .... so will the market

With hand on heart , as a computer UN intelligencia ... sticking with Ubuntu ...

OR buy a mac ( not that I have tried one ) ...


I watch this space carefully ...I will be interested in MS market share ....


STEPHEN

At the risk of getting grumpier and grumpier I don't care about Ubuntu, or the fact that you find it better for your own personal use - that's good, particularly at that price break. The majority of businesses can't afford the massive downturn in productivity while thousands of technophobic staff learn how to use a new OS, and in a couple of cases have to replace or retrain 30-40 development staff who maintain some pretty important applications.

I wasn't looking to engender discussion on the comparative merits of a variety of OSes, but you guys just can't leave it alone.

It's Microsoft, so it must be shot down in flames instantly, jeez I may as well just join the Police Force and get it over with.

Microsoft pays my bills, and I'm interested in other people's experiences with Vista, particularly in the Corporate environment.

[James Deuce]

Hmm, I thought Groove looked like a white elephant. Too expensive for SME's (they'll just use FTP, synctoy or some type of bittorrent client) and not really good enough for enterprise level (who'll just use hardware VNC).

As for Sharepoint, it's not actually much different to version 1. A lot of the features can only work with MS Office documents too. The "workflow" stuff is too complicated for most customers and if they're going to bring in a programmer/consultant to do the work then I very much doubt whether the programmer/consultant will use that particular forms based tool. Cut down version of Access/Foxpro IMHO

Dead right - I use Sharepoint for documentation management for two clients because the specified it, and it does the job, but I've never seen anyone use the whiteboard function or do anything like workflow management. Just looking at upgrading one client to the latest version.

[idleidolidyll]

What is it again, $750 for Vista to replace my XP Pro?

XP was never really right, nor was Millenium, 98, 97, 95 etc etc

I'm truly over Microshaft.

Any suggestions on the best Linux Software that will run an emulator so I can keep my bought and paid for Photoshop, Accounting software etc?

[James Deuce]

Bugger, I can't find the sit on it and spin smilie.

Start your own damn thread if you've got nothing to add.

[idleidolidyll]

Nothing to add?
Windows releases have NEVER lived up to the bullshit hype that precedes them.
Every new release has promised awesome security and the most stable platform ever. None have ever delivered, why should I pay another $750 just to be disappointed again?

I reckon opting out of the bloatware cycle is entirely relevant and I ask again: What is the best Linux Platform on which I can run an emulator and continue with my photographic/design work?

[riffer]

Ah Jim, welcome to my world.

The majority of my work is for Telecom, and Xtra in particular.

I face the same problems. However, Telecom put food on my table.

At the end of the day, I bet the majority of people bitching about Vista have no experience in using it in a professional environment.

As a drummer you must know how it is about the empty vessel making the biggest noise...

[imdying]

is it any good for porn?

Hi definition baby!

What is it again, $750 for Vista to replace my XP Pro?

XP was never really right, nor was Millenium, 98, 97, 95 etc etc

I'm truly over Microshaft.

Any suggestions on the best Linux Software that will run an emulator so I can keep my bought and paid for Photoshop, Accounting software etc?

I heartily recommend you try linux Compared to the price/longevity out of tyres, $750 is a bargain for something that'll do you another 5-7 years.

Nothing to add?
Windows releases have NEVER lived up to the bullshit hype that precedes them.
Every new release has promised awesome security and the most stable platform ever. None have ever delivered, why should I pay another $750 just to be disappointed again?

I reckon opting out of the bloatware cycle is entirely relevant and I ask again: What is the best Linux Platform on which I can run an emulator and continue with my photographic/design work?

Bloatware? Windows has to be built to run for noobs, like you. If you weren't a noob, you'd know how to debloat it... as it's really quite easy. The majority of the 'unnecessary' functions that bloat it, you either don't install at all, or stop the services that run them. Noobs don't want to hawve to figure out how to make everything go... hell most people couldn't even tell you what more than a handful of windows services do, thus why Windows has 95% of stuff running from the get go, and Linux, being the opposite, is still even after all these years, run by bugger all people. Security isn't a problem for anyone with half a brain. If it's so bad, then go alter the homepage for someone like the houseoftravel.co.nz... it's just a windows box... go on, hack it. Take it down... do something to it... But no, you can't, because security isn't the issue you think it is.

[idleidolidyll]

another young punk opens mouth and sticks foot in: noob? rotflmfao, I was using and modifying windows when you were still in nappies (3.1)

please, grow a brain and try to reply without making ridiculous assumptions