Unlawful violation

[ManDownUnder]

Without trying to make light of the subject - is there sucha thing as "lawful violation"?
Maybe that applies when the perp is a cop...

Lawful violation would be by mutual consent... although the interpretation of "violation" would have to be used in either a bondage or penetrative sense I suspect. Don't know.

It has to be by mutual consent however.

Cop, judge, politician or not - I don't care. The victim's no more and no less of a victim

[RantyDave]

"There are too many false accusations from women just excersing their rights and using the biased views of gender from society; and then using it to their advantage." - Disco Dan

I think you're being a bit hard on Dan here. False accusations of rape are one of the bigger problems we face as a society. For a start, their existence casts an ever increasing shadow over real victims - making it harder for those who have been raped to be taken seriously. Secondly, for women who don't mind the effect this has on rape victims, false accusations of rape are a just wonderful weapon to use against an ex, or a one night stand with regret ... and potentially good blackmail fodder. And finally, who would want to be in the position of having been falsely accused of rape ... let alone found guilty.

From this point of view I think the Rickards et al decision was a good one - it has reinforced the need to report the attack as soon as possible. Our legal system is still based on the need to prove guilt rather than merely suspect it.

Dave

[ManDownUnder]

...it has reinforced the need to report the attack as soon as possible. Our legal system is still based on the need to prove guilt rather than merely suspect it.

Dave

Agreed - and that's a key point. What's more victims need to be supported at that time as it seems to be the most difficult period of all - immediately following the attack.

In the meantime - anyone with pieces needing to be picked up need to know they're not alone. It can be done, progress has to be made... but doing it alone would be incredibly difficult... while opening up to others seems difficult too...

And that's a shame because I think most people would be willing to listen, and if the person chosen doesn't get it, or take it seriously ...find another one who will...! But "just doing that" can't be easy...

[DMNTD:Me]

...False accusations of rape are one of the bigger problems we face as a society.
...who would want to be in the position of having been falsely accused of rape...

Have been in these shoes several years ago...a then soon-to-be X claimed I raped her at gun point but she didn't phone the Police,instead she told certain members of the community. Was farking hell living with that hanging over me even though she decided to change her story after I phoned the cops due to having serious concerns re being done for something I didn't do!!!
To this day some members of that particular community still think I did it...it disgusts me that it is so easy for a female to create such an evil situation for a male with NO evidence whatsoever!
As mentioned before....bitches like that make it harder for the genuine victims of this disgusting crime and I believe that the false complainants should be jailed...

[Toaster]

Good Thread. Well said. There is no place for sex predators on this planet.

[Kittyhawk]

Interesting thread.

[Goblin]

From this point of view I think the Rickards et al decision was a good one - it has reinforced the need to report the attack as soon as possible. Our legal system is still based on the need to prove guilt rather than merely suspect it.

Dave

So you think rickards is innocent?

How do you think a 14 year old girl whose father is best mates with her RAPIST is supposed to have the knowlege and guts to tell ANYONE what has happened when the said rapist is at her house for a BBQ huh???

[ManDownUnder]

So you think rickards is innocent?

How do you think a 14 year old girl whose father is best mates with her RAPIST is supposed to have the knowlege and guts to tell ANYONE what has happened when the said rapist is at her house for a BBQ huh???

Rickards thread is over here

That 14 year old girl needs to be able to tell her Dad, no matter what relationship he has with the accused. I have two little girls and when they're of age they'll get my unconditional support with accusations like that.

Should they prove to be false there will be consequences, but they're learning that now. Should they prove to be true - similarly - there will be consequences.

People are responsible for their actions. Pure and simple.

edit - that little girl also needs to be able to tell her Mum, Aunties, Uncles, Gradparents and so on...

[Goblin]

People are responsible for their actions. Pure and simple.

Not if you're assistant police commissoner!

Good luck with your girls...it's all very well to let your kids(boys as well) know they have your full support but when it comes to the crunch its not easy to come out and ask for help. Most people NEVER tell of their ordeal! And for good reason! They get accused of lying and "asking for it".

As for women who do falsely accuse men of rape...they are as bad as any rapist in my view, and there should be heavy penalties for those who do.

[avgas]

Cheers colapop i completely agree.
However the sadness of the matter is it is a double edged sword.
Like the boy who cried wolf there are women out there that crave attention. And unfortunately for those accused of rape - you are guilty until proven innocent.
Likewise if a guy is assaulted - best of luck there ever being a court case.
sorry i do not want to discourage women speaking out - i just want an even system as well. As i have seen the darker side of how men can be treated by the justice system - often with no evidence.

[Colapop]

...it's all very well to let your kids(boys as well) know they have your full support but when it comes to the crunch its not easy to come out and ask for help. Most people NEVER tell of their ordeal! And for good reason! They get accused of lying and "asking for it".

All the more reason that people be given the support and encouragement they need to come forward. I would far rather see 1 false complaint for every 20 than see victims have bear the curse for their lives. At least by saying something they are seeking help.

Avgas - We have to start somewhere. And there are far more hidden victims, than false accusers.

[ManDownUnder]

Not if you're assistant police commissoner!

Rickards thread is over here

Good luck with your girls...it's all very well to let your kids(boys as well) know they have your full support but when it comes to the crunch its not easy to come out and ask for help. Most people NEVER tell of their ordeal! And for good reason! They get accused of lying and "asking for it".

As for women who do falsely accuse men of rape...they are as bad as any rapist in my view, and there should be heavy penalties for those who do.

Thanks... I wish myself luck too. I have some friends whose kids were molested by a friend of the family... that's kinda sharpened my senses when it comes to the "prove it" side of things...

I'll be letting them know lies will not be tolerated, but they have my full support in the pursuit of the truth, and the ride to the cop shop the register the complaint. That's a bit too simple and bolshy, but you know what I mean

[RantyDave]

So you think rickards is innocent?

Now, did I say that? And, as others have pointed out, the thread is question is here.

I was merely attempting to point out that the burden of proof in such cases, twenty years hence or not, has more upsides than down.

Dave

[Grahameeboy]

Have been in these shoes several years ago...a then soon-to-be X claimed I raped her at gun point but she didn't phone the Police,instead she told certain members of the community. Was farking hell living with that hanging over me even though she decided to change her story after I phoned the cops due to having serious concerns re being done for something I didn't do!!!
To this day some members of that particular community still think I did it...it disgusts me that it is so easy for a female to create such an evil situation for a male with NO evidence whatsoever!
As mentioned before....bitches like that make it harder for the genuine victims of this disgusting crime and I believe that the false complainants should be jailed...

I think you have hit the nail on the head Chris...good on ya for saying it.

A friend of mine split with Wife, not his choice, Wife accused him of violating his kid, not prooved and he still has not seen his kids in 7 years and they all live in Devonport....it is the cost of legal guys that prohibits him......sad

[Paul in NZ]

Well it’s amazin aint it… We all hate rapists… and lets face it, of all the crimes it’s right up there at the top of things to hate. Maybe it’s just because I’m really tired at the moment but frankly I’m about sick of people and their general nastiness and violence to other people. Weirdly – I’m often told I’m a rude person (ie I’m a bit intense for some folks) and I’ve often wondered just how many friendships I’ve lost due to what I consider are peoples poor moral standards. (in particular cheating on your partner when she is also a friend of mine etc). Yet I'm sure some people would consider me a pervert?

I dunno – we can’t talk about sex properly ‘cos it upsets people, we won’t talk about rape because it’s taboo. Ditto domestic violence, incest, drugs etc etc. Even acts of generosity on this site get branded as socialist, bleeding heart panisness…

I’m not even going to bother getting wound up about people that take advantage of my generous nature. But I'm not changing just because most people are prize pricks.

Frankly – if it was optional I’d divorce humanity – we are a pack of c**ts really and the longer i live the less I want to do with it.