What do you REALLY think of Nicky Hayden:

**HenryDorsetCase** · 7th March 2007, 13:15

Originally Posted by vifferman

Dude, what you said sounded quite sensible and well-considered, until you said, "Much as I enjoy Nascar". That totally blew any credibility you had. Even my Murkn friends don't like NASCAR. No, not even the guy who rides a VFR and runs a NASCAR team.

Speaking of which:
Does anybody what does have Sky TV be willing to tape / record to disk the MotoGP for me? I will/am be willing to pay some shekel-dollars for this service. Plus you can have some/all of my kids. And all my gotes.

Im coming for the gotes, OK.

Nascar is cool. the races are only 2 minutes long and are filled with incident and not much injury. I know, Ive been watching them on "plays of the week" for years. and theres lots of banging and crashing and in car camera shots.

**Ivan** · 7th March 2007, 16:25

Im a Hayden fan and think he is young fast and got a great attitude.
He won the title fair and square if you win becauseof points you still won

Winnings winning

He rode excellent and never cracked under pressure what was it 2 badresultsfrom him last season thats a consistent rider its all good to be fast and crash but crashing dont win you titles consistent finishes do

**Sketchy_Racer** · 7th March 2007, 17:09

Hayden Won by consitently doing ok

You can teach a fast rider not to crash, but you cant teach a slow rider to go fast.

Nicky top5

Rossi... Num 1

**NhuanH** · 7th March 2007, 17:28

Originally Posted by skelstar

Who really has a decent grasp of what the differences are between the performance of the bikes?

Some monkey looking Italian fella. No, not Melandri.

**Ivan** · 7th March 2007, 17:34

Originally Posted by RG100!!

Hayden Won by consitently doing ok

You can teach a fast rider not to crash, but you cant teach a slow rider to go fast.

Nicky top5

Rossi... Num 1

he aint a slow rider.
He qualified for moto gp thats abig thing to qualify you aint slow

**JayRacer37** · 7th March 2007, 20:22

Originally Posted by Ivan

he aint a slow rider.
He qualified for moto gp thats abig thing to qualify you aint slow

I think in the grand scheme of things, Hayden is a constantly average rider. Yes, he never fall's off, but when have you ever (EVER) stood up and gone "wow, what a great ride, well done that man!!"??

For four years he has had what is conidered to be the best bike in the pack, and he's managed three wins...two at a track that he has a HUGE knowledge advantage at, and one where every other factory rider was injured or out. In four years. That is not spectacular...name one other rider that has one a 500 or MotoGP title with those statistics. Yup, he's finished first in the title, but the other's lost it, he didn't win. Just like a funny little spainard, riding in a similar situation bike wise...Alex Criville.

I rekon Hayden has been gifted his one title, he'll get worse slowly untill HRC ditch him for another rider that'll actually make them look good again. Pedrobot has had his yearsa introduction, it's up to him to take it to Rossi for Honda. And Rossi isn't guna let what happened this year happen again. He'll be in the best mental state of mind ever, I would imagine.
Hayden = 5th.

**gav** · 7th March 2007, 22:05

Think Nicky has a message for ya.....

**gav** · 7th March 2007, 22:13

Hmm, dunno, this is a real make or break year for Nicky in some ways. Yes, he's won a world title, but the way he won it hasnt really meet universal approval has it. Think its been a bit hard to judge how good or bad his bike was last year.
Apparently it was completely different to every other Honda, and not many have suggested it was actually better than the one all the other Honda guys were on.
Now he's on a level playing field it'll be interesting to see how he goes, Pedrosa may well bolt but think the tyres are going to play a big part, the bridgetsones have really improved and think at quite a few races they will have a better tyre than the Michelin boys, who are now Repsol and Yamaha.
I wouldnt be suprised if the title came down to a two horse race between Rossi and Hayden, I don't think Nicky will be fazed by Rossi's mind games, and will be interesting to see how Rossi responds if Nicky can go toe to toe with him.

**JayRacer37** · 7th March 2007, 22:17

Originally Posted by gav

Think Nicky has a message for ya.....

Yeap...thats what I mean EXACTLY. He won by numbers only. It won't happen again. Someone with Pizzaz and a will to WIN, not just finish, will come along every year and take it from him. He got lucky. Nicky's the metaphorical accountant...just doing his job, middle of the road, never make a mistake, but never special either. Just a numbers man. And I rekon this'll be the only year he can work with #1.

**roogazza** · 8th March 2007, 10:17

Originally Posted by JayRacer37

I think in the grand scheme of things, Hayden is a constantly average rider. Yes, he never fall's off, but when have you ever (EVER) stood up and gone "wow, what a great ride, well done that man!!"??

For four years he has had what is conidered to be the best bike in the pack, and he's managed three wins...two at a track that he has a HUGE knowledge advantage at, and one where every other factory rider was injured or out. In four years. That is not spectacular...name one other rider that has one a 500 or MotoGP title with those statistics. Yup, he's finished first in the title, but the other's lost it, he didn't win. Just like a funny little spainard, riding in a similar situation bike wise...Alex Criville.

I rekon Hayden has been gifted his one title, he'll get worse slowly untill HRC ditch him for another rider that'll actually make them look good again. Pedrobot has had his yearsa introduction, it's up to him to take it to Rossi for Honda. And Rossi isn't guna let what happened this year happen again. He'll be in the best mental state of mind ever, I would imagine.
Hayden = 5th.

Plus 1 !
Hayden is a front runner and placegetter ! He's no Rossi . Saying that, when you see them in the flesh, they are all look bloody fast. Gaz.

**gav** · 8th March 2007, 19:11

Couple of things, how can you be so sure that Hayden has had the best bike for the last 4 years? He's had Biaggi and Gibernau and Barros on it, all struggled the last couple of years. I think the RCV WAS the best, no doubt but after Rossi left I'm not so sure. Without Rossi and Burgess to lead development I think the Honda team lost the plot for abit. Both the Yamaha and Ducati I think have had a better package the last couple of seasons.
Hayden has had to try and develop a new bike, so new that his mechanic says everything is different and no parts interchange with what Pedrosa and the rest rode, sounds hard to believe but thats what he said....
He also found himself leading the points lead, what was he suppose to do, ride for the win on a bike that possibly had some frailities (clutch) or rack up points?
How many wins did Kenny Roberts jnr have when he won his 500cc title? Don't look it up, do you know off the top of your head? Does it matter?? Does his title not count or something?
How come no other rider was able to challenge for the title with the bad luck that Rossi had?
Think Hayden topped the charts for qualifying too didnt he throughout the season? Won a car or something? How did he manage that? Just lucky I guess...
Anyway, damn great to see a Kiwi win a World motoGP title!
(even if he was born in Aus.....)

**denill** · 9th March 2007, 06:13

Originally Posted by gav

Couple of things, how can you be so sure that Hayden has had the best bike for the last 4 years? He's had Biaggi and Gibernau and Barros on it, all struggled the last couple of years. I think the RCV WAS the best, no doubt but after Rossi left I'm not so sure. Without Rossi and Burgess to lead development I think the Honda team lost the plot for abit. Both the Yamaha and Ducati I think have had a better package the last couple of seasons.
Hayden has had to try and develop a new bike, so new that his mechanic says everything is different and no parts interchange with what Pedrosa and the rest rode, sounds hard to believe but thats what he said....
He also found himself leading the points lead, what was he suppose to do, ride for the win on a bike that possibly had some frailities (clutch) or rack up points?
How many wins did Kenny Roberts jnr have when he won his 500cc title? Don't look it up, do you know off the top of your head? Does it matter?? Does his title not count or something?
How come no other rider was able to challenge for the title with the bad luck that Rossi had?
Think Hayden topped the charts for qualifying too didnt he throughout the season? Won a car or something? How did he manage that? Just lucky I guess...
Anyway, damn great to see a Kiwi win a World motoGP title!
(even if he was born in Aus.....)

So where do you think he'll finish this year Gav??

**denill** · 9th March 2007, 06:35

Day One in Qatar provided the following (interesting) results.
Look where Rossi and Hayden are in top speed???

Day One Finishing Order in FP1
1. Rossi - Yamaha - 1m56.464
2 Edwards - Yamaha - 1m56.779
3 Stoner - Ducati - 1m56.839
4 Hopkins - Suzuki - 1m56.972
5 Checa - Honda - 1m56.981
6 Pedrosa - Honda - 1m56.990
7 Melandri - Honda - 1m57.112
8 Capirossi - Ducati - 1m57.247
9 Elias - Honda - 1m57.382
10 Nakano - Honda - 1m57.574
11 Barros - Ducati - 1m57.620
12 Vermeulen - Suzuki - 1m57.636
13 De Puniet - Kawasaki - 1m57.686
14 Roberts - KR Honda - 1m57.738
15 Hayden - Honda - 1m57.922
16 Hofmann - Ducati - 1m58.206
17 Jacque - Kawasaki - 1m58.523
18 Guintoli - Yamaha - 1m58.720
19 Pitt - Ilmor - 1m59.930
20- McWilliams - Ilmor - 2m00.125
21 Tamada - Yamaha - 2m00.186

MotoGP Top Speeds in FP1 - km/h
1 Casey Stoner - Ducati - 317.2
2 Loris Capirossi - Ducati - 316.7
3 Alex Hofmann - Ducati - 314.6
4 Alex Barros - Ducati - 313.3
5 Dani Pedrosa - Honda - 311.2
6 Marco Melandri - Honda - 307.8
7 John Hopkins - Suzuki - 307.1
8 Olivier Jacque - Kawasaki - 306.3
9 Colin Edwards - Yamaha - 305.9
10 Jeremy McWilliams - Ilmor - 305.6
11 Sylvain Guintoli - Yamaha - 305.2
12 Nicky Hayden - Honda - 305.0
13 Chris Vermeulen - Suzuki - 304.7
14 Toni Elias - Honda - 303.7
15 Valentino Rossi - Yamaha - 303.7
16 Carlos Checa - Ilmor - 302.6
17 Shinya Nakano - Honda - 302.4
18 Randy De Puniet - Kawasaki - 302.0
19 Andrew Pitt - Ilmor - 301.3
20 Kenny Roberts - KR Honda - 300.0
21 Makoto Tamada - Yamaha - 300.0

**Ivan** · 9th March 2007, 10:14

I beleive qualifying is good but its the race that counts

**quattrocchi** · 9th March 2007, 14:03

Originally Posted by vifferman

It's all pharkeen academic, as I don't have Sky, so I won't be able to see it.
Bugrit (millenium hand 'n shrimp...)

Speaking of which:
Does anybody what does have Sky TV be willing to tape / record to disk the MotoGP for me? I will/am be willing to pay some shekel-dollars for this service. Plus you can have some/all of my kids. And all my gotes.

Hi. Did you manage to persuade anyone to record the race(s)?
I'm keen to fund this too, as it's the only way I'll see the races.

Brian