Respect the Cops? WHY!

[Bass]

Sorry Ixion, I respect your opinions most of the time but there is so much crap in that post that I actually can't be stuffed offering a response.

I for one, wish that you would.
I have done a defensive driving course and 2 advanced driving courses in the cage. I have done the RRRS course and the Riderskills one on one, advanced course on the bike.
I have driven both competitively and professionally, although not simultaneously and the competitive driving I have done taught me that I am not especially skilled anyway. However, the skills that I did learn in all this have saved my life on one occasion (when suddenly faced with a car full of yes asians, overtaking a bus - saved their lives too). I have come to believe that my driving is better than average but (also as a consequence of the training etc) I do NOT think that I am a particularly good driver - I just think that the average standard of driving in NZ is appalling. This view is supported by driving in SOME other countries, where the standard is higher.
My dealings with the Police out on the road have been unfailingly courteous and fair. There is no way that I could work for the Highway Patrol as scraping up and bagging bits of people is more than I could handle. Telling their loved ones of these events is also not something I could deal with.
However, I still find myself siding with Ixion on this point and I feel that the emphasis on speed enforcement is counterproductive.
I feel that the respect of the public is essential for the police to do their job well and would also make it somewhat easier.
Make no mistake, I think that without enforcement, the roads would be a slaughterhouse and that speed enforcement is most certainly an essential element. However, I do think that it is currently overemphasised to the detriment of other enforcement elements that could be more productive.
Consequently, I would be most interested in what you have to say in rebuttal of Ixion's arguments.

[kiwifruit]

speed kills

100 on a wet day in heavy traffic with zero visibility = ok
111 on a dry day in light traffic with unlimited visibility =

[Guitana]

speed kills

100 on a wet day in heavy traffic with zero visibility = ok
111 on a dry day in light traffic with unlimited visibility =

160 in a torrential downpour = YEEEEHAAAAA!!!!!

[kiwifruit]

160 in a torrential downpour = YEEEEHAAAAA!!!!!

Check out this crazed maniac. he is like a high octane hornet trying to evade the cruiser.

[Patrick]

I guess too many live in their computor worlds and don't get out much into the real world after all...

Speed appears to be the issue only, here in KB land... not many moan about the tickets they get for overtaking on blind corners, pulling out in front of cagers, failing to give way, whatever... those that have done are shot down quick smart, usually... Tickets get issued for these every day, but you just don't hear about it on here, just the speed.... nothing but the speed....

Keep on donating to the government fund if you wish. I don't. Uncle Helen needs your extra money to pay the dole, the gang members on the invalid/sickness benefit and other worthy causes...

My taxes pay for health and education... I just don't earn enough to make a difference.

[kiwifruit]

I guess too many live in their computor worlds and don't get out much into the real world after all...

Speed appears to be the issue only, here in KB land... not many moan about the tickets they get for overtaking on blind corners, pulling out in front of cagers, failing to give way, whatever... those that have done are shot down quick smart, usually... Tickets get issued for these every day, but you just dont hear about it on here, just the speed.... nothing but the speed....

never had a ticket for anything but speed.....

speed kills

i should have known this when i was recklessly flapping down the quiet well surfaced road with unlimited visibility on christmas eve at a deadly 111km/h... never do that again eh!

[Patrick]

So why the focus solely on Speeding/drunk driving?....
Seems to me that the education thing is a too hard basket, Acc have tried to solve this with their add campaigns....but I don't know if they've got it right Yet....

I expected better RT... it is not the only thing that is solely focussed on, it is solely focussed on ONLY in KB.

Education is a too hard basket. Most people switch off when the ads come on...

[Patrick]

never had a ticket for anything but speed.....

speed kills

i should have known this when i was recklessly flapping down the quiet well surfaced road with unlimited visibility on christmas eve at a deadly 111km/h... never do that again eh!

I rest my case...........

What was the MAXIMUM speed limit again??????

[kiwifruit]

I rest my case...........

What was the MAXIMUM speed limit again??????

i rest my case

max is 100kmh, no matter what!

111 on a fine day with minimal traffic, unlimited visibility with good road surface is not ok

100 on a wet day with heavy traffic, minimal visibility, bad road surface IS ok

speed and only speed kills

[98tls]

never had a ticket for anything but speed.....

speed kills

i should have known this when i was recklessly flapping down the quiet well surfaced road with unlimited visibility on christmas eve at a deadly 111km/h... never do that again eh!

Do it as many times as you like...........just dont moan when you get ticketed for it.................for me anyway it would have been simple enough.....christmas eve = generally alot of cops out and about = do the speed limit.Not that hard really.................

[kiwifruit]

Do it as many times as you like...........just dont moan when you get ticketed for it.................for me anyway it would have been simple enough.....christmas eve = generally alot of cops out and about = do the speed limit.Not that hard really.................

no, its totally my bad....
i should have known better!

[Patrick]

i rest my case

max is 100kmh, no matter what!

111 on a fine day with minimal traffic, unlimited visibility with good road surface is not ok

100 on a wet day with heavy traffic, minimal visibility, bad road surface IS ok

speed and only speed kills

Wrong.... read your road code some time.

100 maximum is in good conditions. 100 in wet conditions depends on many things, but it is still the maximum... Try driving at 100 in snow with 10meters viz and see what happens....

Speed is not the only killer.... it is but just one of the many things that do, but speed enforcement is the only thing people seem to whinge about on here, as you seem to have done....

[Patrick]

no, its totally my bad....
i should have known better!

Ahh... good.... finally seen the error of your ways... I feel much better now that you have been educated. Think off the children next time!

[Grahameeboy]

Wrong.... read your road code some time.

100 maximum is in good conditions. 100 in wet conditions depends on many things, but it is still the maximum... Try driving at 100 in snow with 10meters viz and see what happens....

Speed is not the only killer.... it is but just one of the many things that do, but speed enforcement is the only thing people seem to whinge about on here, as you seem to have done....

I agree.............

[98tls]

i rest my case

max is 100kmh, no matter what!

111 on a fine day with minimal traffic, unlimited visibility with good road surface is not ok

100 on a wet day with heavy traffic, minimal visibility, bad road surface IS ok

speed and only speed kills

I can see the point your making mate and agree to a point..........at the end of the day there has to be a figure as the speed limit......whoever for whatever reasons decided its to be 100 km/h........seems some have no control over there vehicles at that speed so no point in raising it.........