Snitch - GPS tracking security system

[breakaway]

Roll up with some biker buds

[Zapf]

Then your bike goes missing. You locate it at a certain address or lock-up which is private property. The cops say this is a private and a "civil" matter, like they do. Why? Because their main drive is harvesting cash from people doing 111 kph in a 100 zone, but I digress...

So they (the cops) aren't going to go door knocking. Who do you get to recover your bike? How do they do this without trespassing on private property. It's called a "fishing expedition" and it's illegal. Don't start crapping on about how you would get a dozen of your heavy mates to bust the place up, or how you will storm the property with your macho fists and a baseball bat, you will only wind up in court even if you do recover the bike. For sure.

In New Zealand the criminal often becomes the victim and the victim becomes the agressor and criminal. You know it's true. It's crap but it's the reality.

So the question is;
HOW DO YOU GET YOUR BIKE BACK ONCE YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS?

install another optional module that makes your bike screams for help... then you & your mates run in and help "YOUR" bike. :P

[Bruiser]

Then your bike goes missing. You locate it at a certain address or lock-up which is private property. The cops say this is a private and a "civil" matter, like they do. Why? Because their main drive is harvesting cash from people doing 111 kph in a 100 zone, but I digress...

So they (the cops) aren't going to go door knocking. Who do you get to recover your bike? How do they do this without trespassing on private property. It's called a "fishing expedition" and it's illegal. Don't start crapping on about how you would get a dozen of your heavy mates to bust the place up, or how you will storm the property with your macho fists and a baseball bat, you will only wind up in court even if you do recover the bike. For sure.

In New Zealand the criminal often becomes the victim and the victim becomes the agressor and criminal. You know it's true. It's crap but it's the reality.

So the question is;
HOW DO YOU GET YOUR BIKE BACK ONCE YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS?

You're an intelligent man, no?

Assuming these pondscum manage to get it out of a monitored, alarmed garage with both that alarm and the bike's alarm going nuts, my mobile being called and texted by both the monitoring co and the snitch, and assuming the theft wasn't intercepted before they left my property (or wherever the bike was) I can tell the Police there is a robbery in progress and provide VERY accurate info, and follow it myself by either texting the snitch or watching its' progress in a moving map on my online Snitch account, constantly updating either the Police or "friends".

I am aware of at least one precedent of Police sending up the Eagle with 5 accompanying squad cars to a Snitch snatch. The theives were caught red-handed and the vehicle returned unharmed. Call Snitch and they will confirm this. I know the company who owned the vehicle concerned.

If the bike was taken and not intercepted, when the Snitch reports the bike as stopped I'd be whereever it was in minutes, or intercept it on its' way.

My intentions once at the property don't involve any of your suggestions, but the result will be devastatingly effective.

Due to your inclination to second-guess and trash what you believe to be my response, I'm hardly likely to say what that action would be (and certainly not in a public forum).

Ultimately there is only one way for you to find out.

As for your "fishing expedition" claim, GPS technology is now sufficiently accurate, and proven, to be accepted as hard evidence in NZ law. There are precedents for this.

[toycollector10]

Thanks for your well reasoned and moderate response.

So what you are saying is that a GPS location is accurate and good enough for the cops to go knocking. That is what I needed to know.

I try not to second guess people, or wildly make a stab at their intentions or motives. Or judge them on one post or conversation. I have already had enough of that crap already this week. How you would deal with your bike recovery is your own business.

Cheers

[Bruiser]

Thanks for your well reasoned and moderate response.

So what you are saying is that a GPS location is accurate and good enough for the cops to go knocking. That is what I needed to know.

I try not to second guess people, or wildly make a stab at their intentions or motives. Or judge them on one post or conversation. I have already had enough of that crap already this week. How you would deal with your bike recovery is your own business.

Cheers

Hi Toycollector,

While on the Harley in Hamilton recently I visited my partners' mum who lives in the middle of three units in Frankton.

Sitting on the bike outside her front door I texted the Snitch which reported not only the street number but the fact I was sitting outside Unit 2. I then moved the bike 4 metres to the next door unit and repeated the exercise and once again it accurately reported the bike at Unit 1.

That is good enough for me but nevertheless there is precedent for the Police to accept a GPS report as accurate to within 1 metre, and the courts are on record as accepting this also.

As for moderation, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar

[Finn]

Great review Bruiser - thanks. One question though, if you were alerted via a text that your bike was "on the move" is there an option to disable the ignition remotely?

This may save you some anguish if you got a couple of mates to do the repo and turned up at the Mongrel Mobs Headquarters.

[sAsLEX]

Great review Bruiser - thanks. One question though, if you were alerted via a text that your bike was "on the move" is there an option to disable the ignition remotely?

This may save you some anguish if you got a couple of mates to do the repo and turned up at the Mongrel Mobs Headquarters.

Not going to help much if its in a Van.......

SO mr smart criminal builds a simple faraday cage in his van to stop the cell and GPS coverage..... good that criminals are inherently lazy and generally stupid.

But you do bring a good point up. If it is in the Mongrel Mob HQ simply text your phone "EXPLODE". They cant really complain, you get your insurance for the stolen bike and the world is down some scum.

[Bruiser]

Great review Bruiser - thanks. One question though, if you were alerted via a text that your bike was "on the move" is there an option to disable the ignition remotely?

Not going to help much if its in a Van.......

SO mr smart criminal builds a simple faraday cage in his van to stop the cell and GPS coverage..... good that criminals are inherently lazy and generally stupid.

But you do bring a good point up. If it is in the Mongrel Mob HQ simply text your phone "EXPLODE". They cant really complain, you get your insurance for the stolen bike and the world is down some scum.

Good points!

The Snitch can be configured to use one terminal to ground an external power source upon receiving a text. This could be used to shut down ignition or fuel supply, or even close the circuit on a fine wire through the middle of a fuel tank, although I'm sure that last one would be illegal! ??

But it is there if you want to use it.

[Tank]

But you do bring a good point up. If it is in the Mongrel Mob HQ simply text your phone "EXPLODE". They cant really complain, you get your insurance for the stolen bike and the world is down some scum.

or an option that that you could remotely set off a taser concealed in the seat right into the bastards nuts at 120kph.

Better still with a small cam that transmits the face of the guy to your cell phone right before he high-sides.

Id pay good money for that!

Tank

[Tank]

althought there is a possibility that the above would be illeagal also.

[P38]

Snitch sounds like a bloody good idea to me.

Track the Bike, Find the Bike, Recover the Bike.

Simple enough.

Probally 1000 different ways to approach this and being resourceful Kiwi's I'm sure some clever tecniques could be employed.

Although storming a gang headquarters would take some serious balls from several individuals and you would have to really really want the bike back.

I'd leave it up to the cops and the insurance company.

Remember also the other edge to this sword.

Obviously it will also report (most likely to the other half) where you been and how long you been there, so becareful if your doing shit you dont want others to find out.

P38

[Jerms]

My understanding of GPS is that it doesn't work inside given that it requires "line of sight" to the satellites in the sky...?

Is that correct?

P.S. Not trying to stir, just genuinely curious...

[ElCoyote]

"The Snitch is 100% NZ designed and manufactured .."

I think the term "100% NZ designed & manufactured" is a misnomer. Are you sure that the electronics used in the product - modems, GPS reecivers, IC's, power supplies, the software/firmware that runs in the modems & gps receivers etc are manufactured in NZ. I havent seen the product yet, but I can bet they are not 100% NZ in the true sense of the term

Methinks that you have a vested interest to be as negative as that. It is also pedantic. Let the consumer do his/her OWN homework.

[twotyred]

Theft aside,what a great safety tool for the hardcore adventure rider!

cheers for the report,I never knew such a contraption existed

[heyjoe]

I am wondering if anyone else from different areas around NZ has one of these or can give any further feedback on the product? Sounds like a good device to me.