Nationals: Where the hell were ya?!

[scrivy]

Why cant we have 3 x 6 lap sprint races and 1 x 12 lapper per class??
Spectators are what we are lacking, and sprint races are what they want to see.
I personally find long races boring. The fast guys buggar off, and the field stretches out to the point where the spectators lose interest, and don't even know who's coming where.
I know alot of sidecar riders would prefer sprint races.

Lets be honest, the people who need the exposure to the fast guys always get left behind. The longer the race, the bigger the gap. Keep it short and tight, that way they can still be in contention with the fast guys. Stroudy doesn't always get the best of starts. Look at Rees getting the holeshot at Puke. But eventually the guns got to the front. Imagine if it wasn't Tony leading, but a 'novice'. Imagine being at the pointy end with the best for a few laps!! That would be a rush, and an experience for a novice!

[sidecar bob]

Why cant we have 3 x 6 lap sprint races and 1 x 12 lapper per class??
Spectators are what we are lacking, and sprint races are what they want to see.
I personally find long races boring. The fast guys buggar off, and the field stretches out to the point where the spectators lose interest, and don't even know who's coming where.
I know alot of sidecar riders would prefer sprint races.

Lets be honest, the people who need the exposure to the fast guys always get left behind. The longer the race, the bigger the gap. Keep it short and tight, that way they can still be in contention with the fast guys. Stroudy doesn't always get the best of starts. Look at Rees getting the holeshot at Puke. But eventually the guns got to the front. Imagine if it wasn't Tony leading, but a 'novice'. Imagine being at the pointy end with the best for a few laps!! That would be a rush, and an experience for a novice!

A lot of passengers would prefer sprint races too, scooter boy.

[Keystone19]

I agree scrivy. I like the longer races personally - I'm one of those fortunate to have my times get quicker as the race continues - but from a spectator point of view I think a sprint format would be good.

So maybe as you suggest a combination would work well. Maybe a 6 lapper, a 10 lapper and a 15-20 lapper. Sort out the boys from the girls - or is that boys from the men - or girls from the women - or women from the girls - or men from the boys...ahh...you know what I mean!!!

[kickingzebra]

Anything can be done with organisation, but seriously, what is a better goal, begin to try and compete on an international scale, or attract 10 per cent more motorcyclists to come watch our races by making them sprints??

If we run international grade competitions, then people will be naturally curious, big ups to the club that tries to do this.

Chasing the big boys, that is going to happen as long as there are slower people out there, the only way around that, time on the track, and coaching etc, for which I am quite glad MNZ are putting on this seminar next month.

[scrivy]

Shit Keystone, don't mention boys and girls here. Divvo and Kick will haunt this thread !!!!

[sidecar bob]

I agree scrivy. I like the longer races personally - I'm one of those fortunate to have my times get quicker as the race continues - but from a spectator point of view I think a sprint format would be good.

So maybe as you suggest a combination would work well. Maybe a 6 lapper, a 10 lapper and a 15-20 lapper. Sort out the boys from the girls - or is that boys from the men - or girls from the women - or women from the girls - or men from the boys...ahh...you know what I mean!!!

I think six slappers would be best.

[scrivy]

Anything can be done with organisation, but seriously, what is a better goal, begin to try and compete on an international scale, or attract 10 per cent more motorcyclists to come watch our races by making them sprints??
If we run international grade competitions, then people will be naturally curious, big ups to the club that tries to do this.

How much money do clubs actually make on gate taking?? Remember there have been naf all spectators lately. Also, clubs aren't losing money like previous years, as riders no longer get prizemoney - that's a huge saving to the clubs
What would happen if clubs didn't charge spectators for their entry??
Would we get more spectators?? What if they liked what they saw?? Would they come back again??

[scrivy]

I think six slappers would be best.

Typical Dob!! Poon poon poon...............

[kickingzebra]

none of the clubs I have raced at to date charge gate fees...
We are just a version of saturday morning kids rugby without the benefit of sociopathic cult following.

They would come back if they knew it was going on, but I fear it is hard enough for a rider to find race dates etc, much less for joe public

[Keystone19]

I think six slappers would be best.

Six slappers on a side car? Wow - that I'd pay an entry fee to see...

[bistard]

none of the clubs I have raced at to date charge gate fees...
We are just a version of saturday morning kids rugby without the benefit of sociopathic cult following.

They would come back if they knew it was going on, but I fear it is hard enough for a rider to find race dates etc, much less for joe public

The problem with charging a gate fee,well at Manfeild anyway,is the owner(Manfeild Promotions),charge the club more for the rental,from memory it was about three times the normal price,so its a catch 22 situation

[scracha]

They would come back if they knew it was going on, but I fear it is hard enough for a rider to find race dates etc, much less for joe public

You've hit a big nail on the head with that comment.

[sidecar bob]

Six slappers on a side car? Wow - that I'd pay an entry fee to see...

I rest my case, I may be the poon king accoirding to scrivy, but sex obviously sells.
Heres the go, Get yourselves a hot pit bitch, brolly dolly or whatever you call yours & convince her to wear a leather thong.
If you can only raise the missus & shes gone a bit past her use by date, dont worry, some sickos are into BHFM (big hairy fat mature)
If we can all do that, the racing wont matter, but as you can see from our cross section survey (keystone) the stands would be full & we would be turning away spectators at the gate.

[scrivy]

Can I use your missus Bob?

[scrivy]

The problem with charging a gate fee,well at Manfeild anyway,is the owner(Manfeild Promotions),charge the club more for the rental,from memory it was about three times the normal price,so its a catch 22 situation

It applies to most circuits.
Thats what I was talking about earlier. Don't charge for spectators to come in, and the circuit hire rate reduces which saves the clubs even more money which they can then spend on advertising or on getting awesome displays etc. (or pay o/seas riders) to enhance our own series.