Toyota Prius LOL

**Delphinus** · 22nd March 2007, 08:35

Originally Posted by Jim2

So "THEY" say.

The permafrost has melted before and it will do it again. The CO2 pumped out by the planet vastly outweighs anything we do, and we're just beginning to realise what a massive effect things like a lack of sunspot activity for 22 years do to the upper atmosphere and plankton regeneration cycles, as well as weather cycles.

"They" would like us to believe that there are absolutes and we MUST do "x" to survive. Usually "x" involves making a of of money for someone. Just because "they" say something doesn't mean"they" are right.

As much as this will piss some people off, the US consumes 80% of what is produced, either directly or indirectly. The US have to make massive changes or the efforts the rest of us make are just pissing in the wind.

Ok they may be wrong... but they may be right as well... and if they are right then there may be some disastrous consequences round the corner... It pays to keep an open mind...

**James Deuce** · 22nd March 2007, 08:58

You're not listening Hippy.

The mid-Atlantic trench pumps out more Co2 in a year than we do in a century.

Mt Pinatubo had disastrous consequences for global warming because of aerosols that are STILL circling the globe. That was a baby eruption compared to Krakatoa.

"They" are presenting a picture that is distinctly lacking in the open mind approach, and ignoring the fact the the natural world creates much bigger problems than we do.

Super Volcanoes like Yellowstone and Taupo have created Ice Ages in the past, all by themselves.

The biggest challenge we have in the "Humans adding to Global Warming" stakes is preventing the Chinese from burning every skerrick of coal left on the planet, and the one of the biggest toxicity challenges is not letting Car Manufacturers make Hybrids full of heavy metals that leech into ground water.

**Delphinus** · 22nd March 2007, 09:20

Originally Posted by Jim2

You're not listening Hippy.

OK, lets try and keep this mature. You can call me Delph if you wish.

Originally Posted by Jim2

The mid-Atlantic trench pumps out more Co2 in a year than we do in a century.

Mt Pinatubo had disastrous consequences for global warming because of aerosols that are STILL circling the globe. That was a baby eruption compared to Krakatoa.

"They" are presenting a picture that is distinctly lacking in the open mind approach, and ignoring the fact the the natural world creates much bigger problems than we do.

Super Volcanoes like Yellowstone and Taupo have created Ice Ages in the past, all by themselves.

The biggest challenge we have in the "Humans adding to Global Warming" stakes is preventing the Chinese from burning every skerrick of coal left on the planet, and the one of the biggest toxicity challenges is not letting Car Manufacturers make Hybrids full of heavy metals that leech into ground water.

Sure thing, there is alot going on in the world. And yes there is more going into the atmosphere than you can just blame on humans. But the fact of the matter is, we are pumping a hell of a lot of crap into the air, as well as the toxicity of car manufacturers etc.
I'm just saying dont put it in the "too hard basket" or blame the americans for everything and just expect them to fix it by themselves... they are going to need prodding (tasering?) Many hands make light work is a very true saying. If we all do a bit, the collective effect is great. Even if that is just making people aware....

Just curious, have you seen The Inconvenient Truth?

**James Deuce** · 22nd March 2007, 09:31

Originally Posted by Delphinus

OK, lets try and keep this mature. You can call me Delph if you wish.

Sure thing, there is alot going on in the world. And yes there is more going into the atmosphere than you can just blame on humans. But the fact of the matter is, we are pumping a hell of a lot of crap into the air, as well as the toxicity of car manufacturers etc.
I'm just saying dont put it in the "too hard basket" or blame the americans for everything and just expect them to fix it by themselves... they are going to need prodding (tasering?) Many hands make light work is a very true saying. If we all do a bit, the collective effect is great. Even if that is just making people aware....

Just curious, have you seen The Inconvenient Truth?

I prefer Hippy - you have whales in your avatar. Whales make good pet food.

I've seen an Inconvenient Truth. It inconveniently ignores the fact that Al Gore is trying to build a platform to run for President, and he can leverage off what used to be fringe issue when he started getting involved becoming a central part a media beat up designed to make money, not change attitudes.

We AREN'T pumping a hell of a lot of stuff into the air. We ARE pumping enough to make a difference to the composition of the upper atmosphere which is already stressed thanks to many things like no sunspot activity to ionise it and create Ozone, and particulates form really dirty jets from the '50s and upper atmosphere nuclear testing. CFC's can't reach the upper atmosphere in their molecular form btw. There's no ozone because the Sun didn't bother to ionise any oxygen up there for the better part of three decades.

I'm not suggesting a too hard basket, I'm suggesting that we direct the very minimal resources being pointed at improving the composition of emissions created by humans using energy at technologies that give proven benefits, not making cars that only rock stars and movie stars can afford so they can "look" green.

The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race

**Pixie** · 22nd March 2007, 13:08

Originally Posted by Ixion

As every intelligent person knows ,it derives from the collision of the fifth elephant with the planet (there were originally five elephants supporting the universe on the Transcedental Turtle, not four. The fifth crashed)

It wasn't a crash at all.The mechanic failed to lock wire the 5th Elephant's sump plug.

PS the 5th Elephant was a great movie.I particularly enjoyed Milla Jovovich playing the part of the 5th Elephant.