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RG100!!
Yes they do and they do a stellar job, but im yet to see what YOU do on a race day? Sweet fuck all.
big ups to the other guys.
OK, OK, OK, come on Glenn, I think you are a bit above comments as above are you not? Flaming on web fora (or forums depending on what school one attended) is a huge no no!!
Yes, but you say that the SPEED DIFFERENCE is the problem. well there is the same speed difference in 125 gp vs 150 as it is for F3. I do not believe that it is a huge problem having the faster 150 guys out in the F3, but i can see it becoming a serious problem if slower guys are out there, and getting lapped by the F3 front runners. If one streetstocj isnt allowed out, none should be. simple. I agree with the rule change. But it is not on the basis of top speed.
This comment holds some water in regard to the smaller type bikes. We know that in broad terms quicker 150 riders and moderate to slower 125 and Sperbike Lite riders have similar speeds. HOWEVER, at the fastest and slowest ends, the speed differences are quite large. Now, this should be covered by introducing a qualifying standard, which would remove the slowest riders from the race, BUT of course, not the qualifying sessions. So, speed differences are relevant to a safety discussion.
That tragic accident has ZERO to do with the points being made by myself. Dont bring shit into a conersation, unless it is relelvant.
That accident has ZERO to do with the speed difference of a bike RACING on the track. Doesn't matter what kind of bike was stopped at the track, the were still stopped.
Think before you post irrelivant stuff
While you are correct, speed differences in a racing situation were not responsible for the incident, they have been in the past. This is where it is important for people who are new to an activity to try and learn about the history of their activity. In the mid or late 1990's (forgive me I forget the full details) a rider or two (again I forget) was killed at Pukekohe in the sort of situation being described, where major speed differentials were evident. You will also be aware that the past few months have not been very flash for motorcycle sport.
The major difference between Pukekohe of a few years ago and now is OSH. If, a fatality occurs at an event now, and it can be shown that a situation existed wherein all possible measures to remove or reduce the risks were not taken, then OSH have the ability to have criminal negligence charges drawn upon the organisers (plural) of the event. In the event of the incident at VMCC 2005, it came down to VMCC and MNZ having robust rules in place that were followed to the letter and that possible dangerous situations had been mitigated. As it turned out, one of the MNZ rules wasn't as good as it could have been and that has since been modified, thereby demonstrating responsiveness to new issues.
Now, the point of all that, is that inappropriate speed differentials has been identified by VMCC, and others, as a possible area of danger. Therefore, if the danger is not mitigated, then VMCC is potentially negligent.
Yes at the end of the day, it is to make it safer and more enjoyable for everyone. But all the risks can NEVER be removed. Its not called an extreme sport for nothing.
Please see above, it is OK for you to risk you (I mean the general you, not you Glen in particular). It is NOT Ok for you to risk the reputations or freedoms of those who organise run the meetings by partaking in unsafe activity. These then are reasons for attempting to find ways to remove large speed differentials from the meetings.
And please, for your own good stop talking about you being a commitee memeber...
Well, I would not be so hasty in being so critical or confrontational here. Ivan is a young guy, like you, who is actually trying to have a go at the committee (the ONLY young guy I might add, with the help of William) and at racing. It is a pretty difficult thing to do actually, even more so when the other people on the committee are much older, more experienced and bolshy(??) than he is. And Ivan is a nice quiet type of guy, who, if given enough grief, might just decide he has had enough. Then the club loses a new generation and then what happens?
Be very careful for what you wish, for it might just happen.
-Glen
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