F1 vs NASCAR vs IndyCar vs V8's

**Toaster** · 27th March 2007, 12:47

And americans obviously can't drive around anything more complex than a big oval. Bring back the british touring car coverage - all argy bargy and more entertaining to watch than some bunch of numptys driving around in circles.

Besides.... this is a biker forum isn't it? Shouldn't we be discussing GP or superbikes rather than cage-racing? And no... virtualsuper14 is different - we have some wagers going on that.

**Indiana_Jones** · 27th March 2007, 12:51

Originally Posted by Toaster

And americans obviously can't drive around anything more complex than a big oval. Bring back the british touring car coverage - all argy bargy and more entertaining to watch than some bunch of numptys driving around in circles.

Don't be dissing the oval! lol

-Indy

**marty** · 27th March 2007, 12:56

watch nascar telemetry - 290kmh seems to be about tops.

F1 telemetry - 320kmh seen quite often.

superbikes - 300kmh seen easily

indy cars - easily over 300 with gearing.

watch any F1 v superbike. here's one here actually... the acceleration of the F1 car is quite frankly, phenomenal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mUBCNg3xO8

**sparrow_34** · 27th March 2007, 13:32

The 2006 Indy 500 pole position speed (average speed over 4 laps) was 228.985 mph = 368.52km/h.

**Motu** · 27th March 2007, 13:50

If you think driving (or riding) around in circles is easy,I'd suggest you give it a try sometime.Nothing boring about it,not one bit!

**xwhatsit** · 27th March 2007, 13:51

Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_1#Cars_and_technology

A wide variety of technologies – including active suspension, ground effect aerodynamics and turbochargers – are banned under the current regulations. Despite this the 2006 generation of cars can reach speeds of up to 350 km/h (around 220 mph) at some circuits (Monza).[9] A Honda Formula One car, running with minimum downforce on a runway in the Mojave desert achieved a top speed of 415 km/h (258 mph) in 2006. According to Honda, the car fully met the FIA Formula One regulations.

If you're going to go 'round and 'round in a circle it's not hard to get fast lap speeds I suppose.

**imdying** · 27th March 2007, 14:58

Originally Posted by Motu

If you think driving (or riding) around in circles is easy,I'd suggest you give it a try sometime.Nothing boring about it,not one bit!

I agree... anyone that thinks that a 170+mph Nascar doesn't 'handle' is crazy. Indy cars are getting close to 400kmp/h.... you think they'd do that in a bad handling car? Those ovals might look ghey, but they're seriously nasty shite.

**xwhatsit** · 27th March 2007, 15:56

Oh I didn't mean that. I meant if you don't have hairpins and Stowe and Becketts, you're going to have much better average speeds, and particularly if you don't have to optimise for slower corners, top speeds are going to benefit.

**kiwifruit** · 27th March 2007, 16:09

cars suck, all cars, inc f1

**avgas** · 27th March 2007, 16:49

Actually its quite difficult to increase speeds as the nascars loose instabilily comming out of the corners.
And easy way to demonstrate the experiment is to take of your shoe, swing it really fast by the laces, then suddenly stop putting energy into it, and (after say 1 second) try and spin it fast again.

**Lorax** · 27th March 2007, 17:08

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Would be interesting if they let the F1 teams go wild with whatever performance mods/technology they could just for a couple of seasons, see just how fast they could make them.

Yeah HELL YEAH! Like pod racing on Star Wars. Extreme. No limits. set on a crazy big track. Maybe jumps too. Yeah jumps.

Originally Posted by Toaster

And americans obviously can't drive around anything more complex than a big oval. Bring back the british touring car coverage - all argy bargy and more entertaining to watch than some bunch of numptys driving around in circles.

They do have 4 races a year currently on left and right turning tracks. But yes, there's a website called www.turnleftracing.com!

I absolutely love F1 right, but do get pumped watching two Nascars side by side for the last few laps, both in contention for first. Intense.

**xwhatsit** · 27th March 2007, 22:35

Originally Posted by Lorax

Yeah HELL YEAH! Like pod racing on Star Wars. Extreme. No limits. set on a crazy big track. Maybe jumps too. Yeah jumps.

They do have 4 races a year currently on left and right turning tracks. But yes, there's a website called www.turnleftracing.com!

I absolutely love F1 right, but do get pumped watching two Nascars side by side for the last few laps, both in contention for first. Intense.

When Monza was originally built, there used to be an oval racing track inside the actual Monza track. If you're familiar with the track, when you turn left through Vialone, there is/was an overbridge that you go under. This used to be part of the oval track. It was very steeply banked, Daytona had nothing on it; but most interestingly it went clockwise, compared to nearly all the oval racing we're familiar with, which goes counter-clockwise. In the mid to late 50s, I believe they even did a combined course in F1 which did a complete lap of the normal track and the oval; Fangio won it at least once.