Texans get it right

[slowpoke]

Yep, good ol' septic tanks treating the symptoms instead of the disease.
Fucked up low life's or not, I don't want to shoot someone over a TV....and I don't want to risk being shot coming in late from the pub, or some kid being shot just 'cos they snuck out at night to swap spit with their new boy or girlfriend. Or a plumber/sparkie/locksmith/pizza delivery is called out in the evening and knocks on the door of the wrong house, no answer, so goes around the back......
As for the Texan's and their zealous use of the death penalty: a US school ran an exercise where SCHOOL CHILDREN investigated the cases of death row inmates and found evidence that categorically proved several inmates had been wrongly convicted. "Justice system" my arse....and you want us to go down the same path....?
In my experience those people who most want guns/power are the people who should be least trusted with them/it.

[SPman]

As for the Texan's and their zealous use of the death penalty: a US school ran an exercise where SCHOOL CHILDREN investigated the cases of death row inmates and found evidence that categorically proved several inmates had been wrongly convicted. "Justice system" my arse....and you want us to go down the same path....?
In my experience those people who most want guns/power are the people who should be least trusted with them/it.

George Bush is a Texan!

'nuff said.........

[Waylander]

You mean it wasn't legal before?

As for the Texan's and their zealous use of the death penalty: a US school ran an exercise where SCHOOL CHILDREN investigated the cases of death row inmates and found evidence that categorically proved several inmates had been wrongly convicted. "Justice system" my arse....and you want us to go down the same path....?
In my experience those people who most want guns/power are the people who should be least trusted with them/it.

Don't you know everyone in prison is innocent? Just ask them. They'll tell you all about being frammed and what not.

[Guitana]

I can just see it now Texans running to the local gunshop to buy the biggest guns they can lay their sweaty paws on so they can shoot a burglar!!!
This can only mean one thing in order to reach your weapon quickly enough when disturbed in the middle of the night you will have to keep it close at hand and loaded!! HHMMMM I can see little timmy in mum and dads room playing cops and robbers with his pal from next door and coming across dads loaded .50 calibre desert eagle and redecorating the bedroom with his play pals brains!!!! Just another gungho law to help the gun manufacturers sell their latest killing machine!!!!

[Skyryder]

Just plain dumb. No it's even dumber than dumb. Asinine comes to mind.

Skyryrder

[Lias]

Just plain dumb. No it's even dumber than dumb. Asinine comes to mind.

Skyryrder

I can honestly say I simply cannot understand anyone who thinks its NOT ok to defend your family and posessions with deadly force.

All I'll say is never try to break into my house, NZ laws or not.

[Street Gerbil]

In well-armed societies people tend to develop natural respect to each other. In Israel, where probably 70% of the population possess firearms, violent crimes are unheard of. Strict licensing laws ensure that all legal gun owners are properly trained which keeps firearm related accidents at a minimum (you need to re-license annually and that involves a full day of practice at the firing range). Apparently when a crook considers breaking (or not) into an apartment, the thing going through his mind is not about checking his sidearm. It is rather "what if on the other side of that door there is a bored to half death 18 year old kid with an M16 or Uzi and half a dozen of spare clips? Is whatever loot I can grab worth this?"...
Unfortunately this rule does not apply to car thieves, however car theft has diminished dramatically since the erection of the separation barrier.

[slowpoke]

I can honestly say I simply cannot understand anyone who thinks its NOT ok to defend your family and posessions with deadly force.

All I'll say is never try to break into my house, NZ laws or not.

So your TV or CD collection is worth more than someone elses life?

Ok, lets discuss the actual mechanic's of the situation: So how are you going to store your weapon so it's of actual use to you in the event of an unwelcome visitor? Are you gonna keep it locked up in a safe place, unloaded, with the ammunition locked in a separate place? That's a fair bit of time and noise for the intruder to come looking for you, and you KNOW he's gonna be armed 'cos he KNOW'S you are gonna be armed. Rest assurred some dude high on drugs and adrenalin reaction time is gonna be a lot quicker than you when you're half asleep. The ol' gun cabinet in the bedroom is just the most romantic accoutrement too ain't it?

Or is this gonna be the loaded weapon under the bed scenario? Ready for the young ankle biters to put their mate's insides on the outside...

I can recall reading that the incidence of spousal murder also goes up exponentially if there is a gun in the house as (usually) Dad loses his rag and blows away Mum ("She just wouldn't listen...") rather than "just" giving her some "physical re-education".

How many innocent people are allowed to be killed for every bad guy that meets a sticky end? What is an acceptable number? You need to decide now, 'cos with a law like this it's guaranteed that innocent people will die.

[mikey62]

So your TV or CD collection is worth more than someone elses life?

Ok, lets discuss the actual mechanic's of the situation: So how are you going to store your weapon so it's of actual use to you in the event of an unwelcome visitor? Are you gonna keep it locked up in a safe place, unloaded, with the ammunition locked in a separate place? That's a fair bit of time and noise for the intruder to come looking for you, and you KNOW he's gonna be armed 'cos he KNOW'S you are gonna be armed. Rest assurred some dude high on drugs and adrenalin reaction time is gonna be a lot quicker than you when you're half asleep. The ol' gun cabinet in the bedroom is just the most romantic accoutrement too ain't it?

Or is this gonna be the loaded weapon under the bed scenario? Ready for the young ankle biters to put their mate's insides on the outside...

I can recall reading that the incidence of spousal murder also goes up exponentially if there is a gun in the house as (usually) Dad loses his rag and blows away Mum ("She just wouldn't listen...") rather than "just" giving her some "physical re-education".

How many innocent people are allowed to be killed for every bad guy that meets a sticky end? What is an acceptable number? You need to decide now, 'cos with a law like this it's guaranteed that innocent people will die.

Dude, check your signature line then would you. You're carrying on like a tree-hugger but your line says take the warning lables off things and let the problem sort itself out. That’s what they’re doing DOH !

[Skyryder]

I can honestly say I simply cannot understand anyone who thinks its NOT ok to defend your family and posessions with deadly force.

All I'll say is never try to break into my house, NZ laws or not.

ASININE

1. foolish, unintelligent, or silly; stupid: It is surprising that supposedly intelligent people can make such asinine statements.

[Latin asinīnus, of an ass.

That you should think I would want to break into your house. And if I did you would never hear me.

Skyryder

[SlashWylde]

hippy

Fuckin A!!

[SlashWylde]

[rolls eyes]

You gotta be trolling, right?

Should I assume you're not, and tear you a new arsehole with a spot of finely-wielded rhetoric?

Please advise.

Not trolling no, more tongue in cheek. And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised by any comments that come my way in the context of this thread.

More seriously, I simply believe that humans having the ability to point guns at each other is fundamentally a very bad thing.

Furthermore I think any comment advocating the use of deadly force to protect family and property is over the top. Such an attitude places one in the position of judge, jury and executioner in the few seconds it takes to sight a perceived threat, aim and fire.

Not saying one shouldn't protect what one holds dear when possible, but shoot to kill?...Not good.

[SlashWylde]

So your TV or CD collection is worth more than someone elses life? ...

Yeah, 'poke you put it better than I could at this point.

[Mr Merde]

all guns are good. just when they are in bad hands do they become dangerous. i can guarantee, if i owned a gun, it would not be fired at any living thing: only targets. so therefore, a good gun, because of a good owner. guns dont shoot people. people shoot people with guns.

A voice of reason not emotion. Refreshing and most welcome. Years ago I had this dicussion with a friends partner. She believed that guns killed.

I went to my safe, took out a .45 Automatic. Loaded it and placed it on the coffe table. I then waited for the pistol to jump up and start shooting. When it didnt I unloaded the pistol made it safe and handed it to her (Nova) to inspect. Even then the gun didnt react. It stayed inert and unthreatening.

This simple demonstration convinced Nova that guns werent dangerous, just those who mishandle them.

SHe eventually got her own licence and pistol, she they proceeded to become very proficient in its use and won a lot of club competitions.

Given the choice of having to rely upon third party organisations to protect me or mine, or having the opportunity and means to legally do so myself I know which way I would go.

The police forces of the world are not proactive. They cant stop someone from attacking you, they can only clean up after the event. There is no way I want to ever be just another case number that cant answer back.

[Mr Merde]

........
Not saying one shouldn't protect what one holds dear when possible, but shoot to kill?...Not good.

Shoot to wound?

Shoot to frighten?

Shoot to intimidate?

Takes a lot of training to be able to do this.

In the heat of the moment and with the fear of iminent harm to oneself or loved ones I defy anyone who says they wouldnt resort to violence of some sort. The last such person was nailed to two bits of wood 2000 years ago acording to the christians.