Why am is this not suprising.

[Krusti]

...and then we sink to his level....

I know... but it's more of a reaction as a parent.The shock that this can even happen!

[Grahameeboy]

His mental illness is one that has taken him to somewhere which is beyond comprehension.

He needs to not exist anymore, lots of reasons, but importantly for the child's rehabilitation.

RACK THE GAUGE. FUCKER.

Just because we don't understand does not mean that he should not get help..........I cannot understand how this guy could do this so we need to try and understand by giving him help.....

[Grahameeboy]

No the government is not to be held solely responsible WE are as a society. But we have elected a government that actively promotes passivity. We, as a society, are being taught to sit back and allow these things to happen - it only really hits home when or if it happens to us. Vigilantism is all very well and good but it doesn't solve the problem. Neither does 'getting him the help that he needs' - WTF is that? Hug him til he feels better about his crime?

Make prison a system of punishment, not a holiday camp for a start.

I say that the 'she'll be right' approach is not down to the Govt.

Take a simple issue......Kiwi's are twice as bad as people in the UK at parking in disabled parking spaces.......'only going to be a few minutes' so if Kiwi's have this view of the disabled then is this down to the Govt too.....

And sorry but this guys needs help, whatever that will be.

[Colapop]

This is beyond what we as a society should try to 'understand'. A line needs to be drawn.

[Grahameeboy]

I know... but it's more of a reaction as a parent.The shock that this can even happen!

Understand, me a Father. However, I am sure this shit has happened through the ages and maybe we tend to think that society has improved when it has not.

[_Gina_]

Just because we don't understand does not mean that he should not get help..........I cannot understand how this guy could do this so we need to try and understand by giving him help.....

Nothing personal dude, but...

I don't agree.

[Krusti]

As I said, this is our Society so no wonder shit happens with this attitude...............

Can you ever see that we as a society are going to stop these things happening? I don't think so.

My post was an over reaction but I know that no matter what we as a society do there will always be those who commit these crimes.

All we need is love .... does not always work. And NO he should not be allowed to have children under his care.

That poor kid!

[Grahameeboy]

This is beyond what we as a society should try to 'understand'. A line needs to be drawn.

Is it though..........not saying we should understand and give him a hotel for the night. I think society has gone down hill, even since your ancestor days, just that society is just more flowered up that we cannot believe that this shit can still happen and oerhaps we are embarrased and react the way we do

[Colapop]

Who said society had improved? We have the internet now and that has served to enlighten all of us to the number of sick bastards out there. As much as technological advances have improved our means of communication it has also served to promote those that have tendencies outside what is socially acceptable. As I said we need to make a stand at some time and say that this is wrong and will not be tolerated at all.

[Grahameeboy]

Sorry, nothing personal dude, but...

I don't agree.

That's cool.....

[Grahameeboy]

Who said society had improved? We have the internet now and that has served to enlighten all of us to the number of sick bastards out there. As much as technological advances have improved our means of communication it has also served to promote those that have tendencies outside what is socially acceptable. As I said we need to make a stand at some time and say that this is wrong and will not be tolerated at all.

We know it is wrong and should not be tolerated. The problem is that people with a mental illness don't understand that to begin with.

[Krusti]

A major problem we have is that this sort of violent problem solving is carried on down through generations. There is a large percentage of our society who have only been taught that if some one pisses you off...bash him.

[Colapop]

How many of life's issues do we then attribute to 'mental illness'? Isn't that just another societal cop out?
"We shouldn't punish those that need help - they are mentally ill"
How far do you take that train of thought? A burgler knows it's wrong to steal but feels compelled to do so because he claims a mental illness? There are varying degrees of mental illness, granted, but there must also be punishment.

[_Gina_]

Is it though..........not saying we should understand and give him a hotel for the night. I think society has gone down hill, even since your ancestor days, just that society is just more flowered up that we cannot believe that this shit can still happen and oerhaps we are embarrased and react the way we do

Nope, don't imagine anyone feeling embarrassed as such.

Just sick in the stomach and heartbroken for the family and medical personel who had to care of the infant.

The risk factor involved in giving him a chance to explain what kind of "turn" he had that led him to do what he did is too much.

This isn't Munchausen by Proxy.

[Grahameeboy]

A major problem we have is that this sort of violent problem solving is carried on down through generations. There is a large percentage of our society who have only been taught that if some one pisses you off...bash him.

Exactly.......which is why I feel we need to treat these problems....I mean this baby maybe carrying the 'gene' and after this experience............well you know what I am saying............