Why am is this not suprising.

[Grahameeboy]

Nope, don't imagine anyone feeling embarrassed as such.

Just sick in the stomach and heartbroken for the family and medical personel who had to care of the infant.

The risk factor involved in giving him a chance to explain what kind of "turn" he had that led him to do what he did is too much.

This isn't Munchausen by Proxy.

I was talking generally but understand.

What if this guy was a normal guy (whatever that is eh?), you know the salt of the earth etc and had this 'turn'...........not saying he should do 100 lines 'I must not.......', just saying that fine put him away but still give him help.

[_Gina_]

Exactly.......which is why I feel we need to treat these problems....I mean this baby maybe carrying the 'gene' and after this experience............well you know what I am saying............

Well maybe this guys death could be an example for the next generation.....
Kind of out there, but just a thought...
As opposed to, yup, he did it and society supported him and he is still alive - as in - his behaviour wasn't considered to be abhorent to society.

[Grahameeboy]

How many of life's issues do we then attribute to 'mental illness'? Isn't that just another societal cop out?
"We shouldn't punish those that need help - they are mentally ill"
How far do you take that train of thought? A burgler knows it's wrong to steal but feels compelled to do so because he claims a mental illness? There are varying degrees of mental illness, granted, but there must also be punishment.

No, we all have compulsive disorders I guess but violating a 15 day old baby is a wee bit different to burglary and easier to attribute 'mental illness' to.....

Mind you still worry about you and chicken's though..............

[Grahameeboy]

Well maybe this guys death could be an example for the next generation.....
Kind of out there, but just a thought...
As opposed to, yup, he did it and society supported him and he is still alive - as in - his behaviour wasn't considered to be abhorent to society.

Well you know what thought did?

Like Society supported itself and killed him..............I would feel much better trying to help someone than killing them for what they did.........out of sight out of mind....well until it happens again.

To me the Death Penalty makes us feel better, but does not necessarily solve the problem because those who have the capability to violate a 15 day old baby will not realise but, and I know it's a long short, but if someone with tendencies knows they can get help then maybe..and I agree a big maybe......we can help.

[Colapop]

Let's be clear about the chicken/s... You well know that the comment was made in jest and the person in question (who acquired the said chicken) was not of her full faculties for one reason or another.

[Grahameeboy]

Let's be clear about the chicken/s... You well know that the comment was made in jest and the person in question (who acquired the said chicken) was not of her full faculties for one reason or another.

That's it blame the alcohol......thanks for proving my point......

[Beemer]

This kind of crime is absolutely abhorrent to decent people and to inflict these kinds of injuries on YOUR OWN SON, who happens to be just 15 DAYS OLD is beyond belief.

I fail to see how anyone who can do this can EVER be rehabilitated. And how the hell could you ever trust him near children again?

[Krusti]

I think this is not so much of a sexual violation but more of a violent reaction to what someone did or said. Just my take on what was reported.

I could be wrong. Have been before. Last time was from memory,1965?

[Grahameeboy]

I fail to see how anyone who can do this can EVER be rehabilitated. And how the hell could you ever trust him near children again?

You may be right, however, should at least try.............and I agree he should not be allowed near children...........I am not saying he should not serve time, just he needs help too.

[Mom]

No, we all have compulsive disorders I guess but violating a 15 day old baby is a wee bit different to burglary and easier to attribute 'mental illness' to.....

Mind you still worry about you and chicken's though..............

Let's be clear about the chicken/s... You well know that the comment was made in jest and the person in question (who acquired the said chicken) was not of her full faculties for one reason or another.

That's it blame the alcohol......thanks for proving my point......

Sorry guys at risk of taking this off topic, I am horrified that a silly incident at a party can be brought up and used (even jokingly) as an example of debauched behaviour when we are discussing the abuse of a defensless infant.

[kro]

There are no lawful deterrants in this nation. Does our leader go on TV, and publicly denounce violence of any sort?. Does she speak out against the teenagers stabbing each other?, and the drunk drivers killing off half a family, leaving the other half to suffer for the rest of their lives?.

Our leader talks money, defends her party members who have fucked up publicly, and pretty much steers clear of most demographics, because it's un-pc to single them out these days. Our nation, left on it's present course, will continue down hill.

[Grahameeboy]

Sorry guys at risk of taking this off topic, I am horrified that a silly incident at a party can be brought up and used (even jokingly) as an example of debauched behaviour when we are discussing the abuse of a defensless infant.

Fair point on my first one but was actually using the other one to show, albeit it in a small way, what I was saying.....but good call and thanks for putting us straight Mom

[Grahameeboy]

There are no lawful deterrants in this nation. Does our leader go on TV, and publicly denounce violence of any sort?. Does she speak out against the teenagers stabbing each other?, and the drunk drivers killing off half a family, leaving the other half to suffer for the rest of their lives?.

Our leader talks money, defends her party members who have fucked up publicly, and pretty much steers clear of most demographics, because it's un-pc to single them out these days. Our nation, left on it's present course, will continue down hill.

Trubs is would anyone listen..............it is not just down to the Govt as destiny is in everyone's hands...........

[Beemer]

I think this is not so much of a sexual violation but more of a violent reaction to what someone did or said. Just my take on what was reported.

I could be wrong. Have been before. Last time was from memory,1965?

If that is true, then it's even worse - bad enough to be driven by sexual urges that mean you are turned on by babies and children, even worse to inflict injuries of this nature on a defenceless child because someone pissed you off for some reason. If he'd only beaten crap out of whoever upset him (if it was the partner, sounds like he did anyway) that would be bad enough, but I fail to see how any DECENT human being could even contemplate harming a child in this manner. Hell, it's well known that I don't even like kids, but this makes me feel sick.

[kro]

Trubs is would anyone listen..............it is not just down to the Govt as destiny is in everyone's hands...........

Personal destiny moreso, but our national destiny counts for something too, and right now, it looks freaking grim to me. People need to get whomped, and whomped hard for their crimes. The whole Graeme Burton Fiasco is but one instance where the punishment was not hard enough, and he gained freedom, when freedom was not due.

Our leader is supposed to be just that... a leader.... like in business, when the top spot is taken by someone whom is supposed to uphold the ideals and principles of the company, and keeps that their main focus, they lead from the top down. Our nation has a leader who is hasn't publicly condemned anything for as long as I can remember, and when she does, it's because the polls tell her that 90% of the voters agree, so it's a safe bet.