Tis a sad world when herbal medicine is illegal

**Toaster** · 5th April 2007, 14:16

Originally Posted by u4ea

......oh and valium is addictive and cant be combined with my other pain releivers so what do you do for pms Toaster????

Actually, nothing if I can help it - maybe panadol/nurofen if I have to. I just put up with pain if and when it happens. I believe me, I have had my share of pain through various accidents/injuries. massive back pain for years - exercise and careful management and a lot of gritted teeth got me through.

**Toaster** · 5th April 2007, 14:18

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Yes, I have these problems too.

At the moment, I am getting a great deal from both.... I need to go for a run and blow off steam.

**jrandom** · 5th April 2007, 14:23

Originally Posted by Lias

The only reason I'd support legalising pot is to tax the ever loving snot out of it and cut the cash crop for the gangs.

So go vote on my poll, then.

It needs contributions from the rabid tag-ends of the social spectrum to be a valid representation.

**Pwalo** · 5th April 2007, 14:45

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Yeah, yeah same same. At the end of the day no one likes being told what they can and cant do. I just think that if people are ill why are we pumping shit loads of chemicals into them if something natural like cannibis would help and THEY would prefer to put that into their bodies?

The only trouble is that that is not a logical argument. All plants, and animals are made up of various combinations of chemicals.

I'm afraid just because something is 'natural' does not of itself make it better or healthier. Trying ingesting a reasonable amount of hemlock. It's natural and will cure all your ills.

Sarcasm aside at the end of the day you have to take responsibility for what you put in your body. Personally I don't smoke, drink much, or take recreational pharmacueticals: but it's fun watching people who do.

I don't support making cannabis legal. I think it's a hangover form my hippy hating youth.

**Goblin** · 5th April 2007, 14:47

Originally Posted by Toaster

.... I need to go for a run and blow off steam.

Im sure steam will be pleased about that.

**onearmedbandit** · 5th April 2007, 15:20

Don`t be sucked in by the `rather use something natural than manmade` arguement, as that doesn`t hold water 100%. Would you use hemlock (as pointed out in a post above) or poisonous ivy? In saying that due to my injury I was on morphine, codine, voltaren and a few others everyday for 4yrs after my accident. Horrible horrible shit. Put me to sleep during the day, felt disconnected from reality, couldn`t concentrate, etc. And my doctor wanted to up the dosage of morphine to combat the pain, along with warning me that the combination of tegratol and voltaren had bad consequences for my health. Well I dumped all them and instead have a smoke. No side effects, led a productive life, got promoted at work, got married, paid my way, etc. I know where I`d rather be.

**Krusti** · 5th April 2007, 15:46

I will start a thread one day regarding pain management but for now....

What do you do? I have taken some time to come to terms with the fact that I will have chronic pain for the rest of my life. Have been in denial and believing that I will get better.

I would love to quit the pills I am on but easier said than done. I don't smoke any thing for pain relief but if cannabis was allowed for pain relief, even through a Dr, then I would probably use it.

Saying tough it out is all very well but when you are faced with another 30? years of it then, wow what fun.

All very well saying just smoke it any way but what happens when an employment drug test is required? Having said that, I would probably fail one now.

Just makes me laugh that it is OK for me to be an addict. As long as it is to a socially accepted sustance.

for now.

**Disco Dan** · 5th April 2007, 15:53

Originally Posted by Krusti

All very well saying just smoke it any way but what happens when an employment drug test is required? Having said that, I would probably fail one now.

Just makes me laugh that it is OK for me to be an addict. As long as it is to a socially accepted sustance.

for now.

It stays in your system for approx 6 months.

There are ways around drug tests though. You can buy small viles of powder that you add to your urine that fool the test.

**onearmedbandit** · 5th April 2007, 16:07

Originally Posted by Krusti

I will start a thread one day regarding pain management but for now....

What do you do? I have taken some time to come to terms with the fact that I will have chronic pain for the rest of my life. Have been in denial and believing that I will get better.

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I don`t know how bad your pain is, so it`s very hard for me to comment. I have 24hr a day pain, seven days a week. In other words, in the last 10yrs of my life I have lived with chronic pain. On a scale from 1-10, it`s never lower than a six, and very often is around seven to eight. At least 30% of the time it`s at ten, 10% of the time it`s off the scale. During a typical day I will experience at least 150 spasms of pain that are off the scale, usually lasting for between two seconds through to 60 seconds.My pain threshold has risen over the years, small things like burns, cuts etc I just don`t notice. How I control it is entirely mental. I`m thankful for everything I have, including the pain. I realised a long time ago that there as no escaping it, so instead of letting it hold me back or work against me, I had to take control and make it work for me. So when I`m under attack from the pain I fight back. I muster all my physical and mental energy, and utilise the pain to take me to a higher place. It`s not easy, and it`s hard to explain how it works. My only fear is that as I get older I might not posess the mental strength to do it any longer, but I`m strong of mind so I keep on going. Pain is a major part f my life now, I`ve accepted that. It was the first step for me towards carrying on. So when I feel swamped with anything in life, the pain snaps me back and gives me strength. Like I said, it`s hard to describe.

Marijuana doesn`t really lessen the pain as such, it numbs it a little but what it does is it allows me to distance myself from the intensity of it. It`s still there, but I can kind of step back from it. I would dearly love for the pain to be no more, but in a way I know I`d miss it. It has become my companion, it knows me well and I know it.

**Pwalo** · 5th April 2007, 16:17

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Don`t be sucked in by the `rather use something natural than manmade` arguement, as that doesn`t hold water 100%. Would you use hemlock (as pointed out in a post above) or poisonous ivy? In saying that due to my injury I was on morphine, codine, voltaren and a few others everyday for 4yrs after my accident. Horrible horrible shit. Put me to sleep during the day, felt disconnected from reality, couldn`t concentrate, etc. And my doctor wanted to up the dosage of morphine to combat the pain, along with warning me that the combination of tegratol and voltaren had bad consequences for my health. Well I dumped all them and instead have a smoke. No side effects, led a productive life, got promoted at work, got married, paid my way, etc. I know where I`d rather be.

You and Krusti have my sympathies. I was bloody lucky after my accident to only need morphine for a short while, and then codine for a few weeks.

That stuff sure knocks you around. My boys used to laugh at me as I headed away for a wee lie down in the afternoons.

I guess my upbringing just means that I hate the thought of being addicted to anything - bikes included. So saying I do like breathing, trying to keep my family sane, and riding the mighty Fenland Express.

**Toaster** · 5th April 2007, 16:35

Originally Posted by Goblin

Im sure steam will be pleased about that.

Nice one Goblin, nice!

**Krusti** · 5th April 2007, 16:47

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Marijuana doesn`t really lessen the pain as such, it numbs it a little but what it does is it allows me to distance myself from the intensity of it. It`s still there, but I can kind of step back from it. I would dearly love for the pain to be no more, but in a way I know I`d miss it. It has become my companion, it knows me well and I know it.

I am no where near your level, but I know where you are coming from as far as pain being your companion. To me it's not so much the level of pain but more that it is always there.

I often wonder what I would do without it. Seems wierd I know. Chronic and acute pain are different altogether.

Have had a puff or so before and yes even though my lips were numb I could still feel the pain. I just didn't care as much.

Got to the stage though where I thought bugger it ... go get a job and stop moaning. Next step, get off the pills!

You're an inspiration mate

**Hitcher** · 5th April 2007, 17:28

Originally Posted by Pwalo

Is this about herbal remedies or legalising cannabis?

Let's do both.

Herbal "remedies" should be regulated. And they should have to undergo the same scientific rigour in their registration that pharmaceuticals currently do. Most of them are bullshit: in the same category as iridology, homoeopathy, colour therapy, aroma therapy and "organics". But, as they generally do no harm (apart from deluding the gullible and the ever-present bitter anaemic non-religious vegetarians) they generally slide under the radar. However given that Sue Kedgley is hot-to-trot on full disclosure of ingredients in foods, why should quack pills be any different?

And, as for inhaling carcinogenic smoke...