Cannabis legalisation

**candor** · 8th April 2007, 12:49

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

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On 60 000 as a third year nurse with one lot of overtime weekly at Porirua I got more than junior Drs thankyou. Yes we're paid for our brains. The Drs do what we tell them most of the time not the other way around. Many is the time a consultant asks us "which drugs does this patient respond to."

Some Drs working there could not even speak English to interview patients which made them completely dependent on advice of nurses re symptoms and diagnosis. Drs rarely see patients - we fill in for them as our training preps us to do most of the time.

I had one Dr take it from a patients body language that the patient was suicidal and try to commit him. When the patient did not say that at all. This Indian Dr had to learn to listen to the nursing staff.

**SixPackBack** · 8th April 2007, 12:58

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**SixPackBack** · 8th April 2007, 12:59

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**candor** · 8th April 2007, 13:02

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

the bullshit part of the current drug testing is that even a month after someone has smoked a joint, traces remain and these traces, although causing no noticable impariment, are being used to ban people racing motorcycles, ban them from certain work etc.
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This can be fixed. Urines don't give recent use. But saliva test does - just costs more like $30 and only detects very stoned people who've used in last 3 hours as the threshhold for detection is set too high.

Blood tests also confirm recent impairing use by looking for high levels of delta9 thc. If its up over about 9 (will usually be in the hundreds of ngs) you have used recently and you are impaired.

The reason is that levels peak in the hundreds about 30 mins to an hour after use and then drop off fast after 150 minutes along with the impairment.
Cost of test $200

The mcj eyecheck is used in mining industry and by US police. This tests for drug impairment by anything including alcohol as well as by fatigue for free each time but the cost of a unit is 10g. Could be good for moto sport use.

Trace levels should not be used for decision making around safety. There's no need for that. Too wide a net is cast. Maybe those with traces detected should be required to pay for better tests

**candor** · 8th April 2007, 13:11

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Are we discussing communication or education?

Intelligence apparently. Which is not necessarily related to educational attainment level. There are some thick as Drs and some very bright nurses and pot smokers cover the full gamut.

**onearmedbandit** · 8th April 2007, 14:55

Originally Posted by spudchucka

I get called a pig, (amongst other things) directly all the time on this forum, my comment was not aimed at you directly, it was just a generalisation.

I don't take any exception to name calling generally, until it gets really personal; so I'm pleased that you won't let it bother you beyond the post you made about it.

Understand, I just don`t believe in generalisations and will always stand my ground. No problem SC.

Originally Posted by avgas

Sorry OAB, it wasn't aimed at dope smokers, but people in general. More a case of "You choose your own poison in life". We all do stuff in our lives which isnt good for us. That is the purpose of living. Sorry again if you took this personally - it was just a response for the naysayers on this forum who seem to take offense because people smoke dope. Trying to explain to them that 'they' (as in anyone) can choose what ever 'they' to do with their lives so long as 'they' dont mess with yours.
Dope doesn't fuck you up when you smoke it. It fucks you up when you try and quit. But then again so does everything in the world.

Once again, thanks for clearing that up. No problem avgas.

**The_Dover** · 8th April 2007, 18:22

Originally Posted by candor

- just costs more like $30 and only detects very stoned people who've used in last 3 hours as the threshhold for detection is set too high.

i'd think the chip packets and chocolate wrappers in the car would be a bigger give away.

or if on a motorcycle -"Where are you going tonight sir?"

"Wendys Officer, I'm fuckin starving. Do you want to come?"

**Mole_C** · 8th April 2007, 18:26

Mmmm wendies would be nice. Those chicken nuggets are divine. Im gonna get one of those 3 course deals from the chineese shop instead. Deep fried pork, rice and chow mein.

**The_Dover** · 8th April 2007, 18:29

yup, chicken strips always do the trick for me.

and swap out the fries for chili!

**oldrider** · 8th April 2007, 21:07

This thread is stoned!

John.

**onearmedbandit** · 9th April 2007, 00:37

Originally Posted by oldrider

This thread is stoned!

John.

If it is, it`s bogarting! Pass to the left hand side damnit.

**scumdog** · 9th April 2007, 08:34

Well. read the above past 15-16 posts in one hit.

Some comments:

I could follow a certain logic in the stoners argument IF they could find an easy way of removing alcohol from society before they liberated cannabis.

As said before, I DO think alcohol is harmful to society in so many ways - but why add cannabis to the mix - do you think all the drunks will become stoners?

I see a lot of OAB type users and have no problem with them

I also see a lot of the 'non-working, black jean&jersey skinny-arsed W/T with the big-arsed mrs in a purple velvet curtain dress and two snotty nosed kids on Ritalin in an unheated house with a beat-up Laser in the drive, a wannabe Harley flag above the mantle-piece and all their personal belongings would rattle around a 6'X4' trailer' type of people, they also seem to have a lot of bits of foil lying around and half a socket set shagged by using the little sockets for their cannabis pipes.......

The above people are invariably also the ones we deal with when it comes to petty thefts, burglaries and in possession of stolen goods as well as constantly being on the run from creditors., they also feature when they get their hands on some other type of mind-bending chemical that causes them to lose the plot.

The alcohol using (abusing?) ones generally SEEM more functional, they work etc BUT more prone to anti-social behaviour when at the pubs, out on the street (fighting, trashing letter-boxes and public property, smacking the mrs etc).

Both are unpredictable in behaviour (but the drunks are easier to side-step when they hav a 'go' at you)

If both products and any other recreational drug 'evaporated' from the face of the world I would actually be quite pleased*. ( I know I drink but see enough of the negative side of it to realise if it wasn't there we would have a shit-load less problems in society).

*And leave me more time to issue tickets!

**Krusti** · 9th April 2007, 08:46

What's wrong with big-arse mrs?

Signed arse man

**scumdog** · 9th April 2007, 09:06

Originally Posted by Krusti

What's wrong with big-arse mrs?

Signed arse man

Nowt!
Just "painting a picture" so to speak (Hell, I wear a black jersey myself and the mrs has a Laser!)

**avgas** · 9th April 2007, 10:00

Originally Posted by Mole_C

Mmmm wendies would be nice. Those chicken nuggets are divine. Im gonna get one of those 3 course deals from the chineese shop instead. Deep fried pork, rice and chow mein.

Damn you - now im hungry