Cannabis legalisation

[Matt Bleck]

Puff, puff, giiiiive.......

[Lorax]

The thought of the sorry arsed collective bunch of misfit retards in parliament instructing the general public on what they can or cannot do is a contradiction of terms.

Fuck the pollies [bunch of lying thieving c%$ts] and the police their enforcers [brain washed to believe utter bullshit].

As long as the evil tobacco and alcohol are legal so should all drugs, hell they should be commercialised.

And for the record I do not use drugs or tobacco and rarely drink.

And in answer to the inevitable police line...'youdonhaftapickupthepeicesshite'......bull shit! the farce has a long history of alcohol abuse and still does not connect the dots after the constant barrage of alcohol related domestics and accidents.

Wow, you sound like you'd love to live in an anarchist world eh? Societies organise themselves, and in our case it's via a democracy.

I think there's something on your shoulder... looks like... yep... it's a big old chip. There it is, can see it. Riiiiiight there.

But yes, agree about damage of alcohol to society eh.
[Again, I agree with decriminalisation, and have tried many a drug]

[SixPackBack]

Wow, you sound like you'd love to live in an anarchist world eh? Societies organise themselves, and in our case it's via a democracy.

Democracy?...really? more like a totalitarian socialist state.

Democracy: Government by the people.

Funny thing is Lorax as recently as a few weeks ago pollies where wasting our time and taxes trying to push through a bill [ant-smacking] that the overwhelming majority of citizens where vehemently opposed to. Sound like Democracy?

[Lorax]

Democracy?...really? more like a totalitarian socialist state.

Democracy: Government by the people.

Funny thing is Lorax as recently as a few weeks ago pollies where wasting our time and taxes trying to push through a bill [ant-smacking] that the overwhelming majority of citizens where vehemently opposed to. Sound like Democracy?

Yes. Unfortunately.

[xwhatsit]

I don't smoke the stuff, but I know people that do/did. Three people in particular come to mind.

The first two got kicked out of my school because they were found to have been using and growing the stuff. One of them completely fucked up their life from then on, due to the police and courts and parents and all kinds of chaos. Basically a complete no-hoper now, lives on a benefit. At school he was a reasonably smart chap and had a fairly bright future. I haven't heard from the other guy, but by all accounts he's not doing too well compared to how he was when he was still at my alma mater.

The third guy never got caught; he took a toke at some party and fell in love with the stuff. It consumed his life, pretty much. Dropped out of school because he was too stoned to turn up half the time. Before he dropped out, he went from a A-/B+ average to about a C average. He was failing when he dropped out. Living in a council flat on the benefit as well.

I know other people who take the occasional puff and it's just like me with drinking; I might have two or three glasses of wine over the week, but it's not my whole life. Just a simple pleasure.

So I'm undecided. Clearly it has the power to fuck people up. Just like a lot of other legal things. However, as Hitcher said, why give it the power to be promoted and marketed and become even more available and attractive to people? More potential to fuck up lives. But also the law w.r.t. this issue can fuck people up, too. Ruin lives as well. So I say, decriminalise it. But don't legalise it. No point in giving somebody a criminal record for a little toke they had at college, but still there's no need to legalise it and allow it to ruin more lives.

[scumdog]

you'd be surprised, just like closet Shortie watchers.

I think alcohol is infinitely more damaging than marijuana

To requote:

So we have a big shark in the swimming pool - and now you think a barracoutta would be a good idea in the pool 'cos it's not as bad as the shark?

Brilliant logic Sherlock

[The_Dover]

To requote:

So we have a big shark in the swimming pool - and now you think a barracoutta would be a good idea in the pool 'cos it's not as bad as the shark?

Brilliant logic Sherlock

what the fuck are you on about cunt?

I'd rather pick a fight with a stoner than a drunk.

At least they'd buy me a burger afterwards.

[Shadows]

I think it should be decriminalised but not necessarily legalised. People should be free to pursue their chosen lifestyle without fear of persecution, provided they aren't harming others or burdening society as a result of their choices. The moderate use of pot falls into neither category. Anybody who tries to state otherwise is, quite frankly, wrong. Like most things, moderation is the key.

Complete legalisation, however, would mean that large scale, legitimate and taxed businesses could be set up concerned with the cultivation and distribution of pot. Some may think that is not such a bad thing, but my take on this considers the dealers, their bread and butter depends on cannabis being illegal and as a result not so readily available. Those people would suddenly find their income streams cut off as they could not compete. The result? They will have to change their business plan. This might involve the distribution of harder drugs which they previously wouldn't have considered dealing with. It may involve other organised crime, theft, burglary, aggravated robbery, all in order to maintain the lifestyles to which they have become accustomed. It is no secret these people exist, it is also no secret that no matter what the view of the majority, they will always exist in one form or another. It doesn't matter what people rant on about in internet forums, the truth of the matter is that it is an indisputable fact and fuck all can really be done about it. So, tell me I have a defeatist attitude or whatever, I don't give a fuck, all I know is that I'd far rather there was a tinny house on the corner than a whole bunch more cunts running around stealing peoples' shit and robbing old ladies at the ATM, and even more P-heads doing maniacal shit on the streets.

Any way, that Helen bitch has to go. I wouldn't waste my vote on a single issue party and run the risk of far more important things not being fixed because we are stuck under the same shit-house management for another three years.

[spudchucka]

The police council are for decriminalisation am I not correct?

Do you mean the police association? If so the answer is no. Drugs and property crime are inherently linked, why would any police related organisation support decriminalising it?

[spudchucka]

You see one end of the spectrum only, that doesn't make you an expert sorry.

I think when it comes to mental health he is much more of an expert than anyone else on this forum, given that he's a trained mental health nurse.

There is much evidence to suggest that consuming cannabis is about the worst thing that a paranoid schizophrenic can do.

If you don't believe me then research the background of this guy....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...430743&ref=rss

[SixPackBack]

Do you mean the police association? If so the answer is no. Drugs and property crime are inherently linked, why would any police related organisation support decriminalising it?

Besides decriminalising cannabis would remove another benign group for the cops to harass and tazer. Decriminalising or legalising in any form effectively decreases workload for the pigs, naturally they will never agree to any moves that may threaten jobs.

Guess they could always reinforce highway patrol giving speeding tickets, now thats REAL crime

[spudchucka]

You're not smoking this stuff are you? Because you sound really paranoid and deluded.

[DEATH_INC.]

Put simply, I've seen infinitly more problems from alchohol than dope. Where I come from, up north, both are plentiful. Stoners are much more docile, they don't go round beating on people and smashing shit for fun, not to mention going home and beating on the wife and kids.
The odd one that f**ks up their lives are an exception, and you gotta wonder if it wouldn't have happened anyhoo. I know of some very intelligent people who partake, with seemingly no ill effects.
But back to the subject, I'm all for legalizing it, except for that problem of what the growers will do, though if the powers in charge take their heads outta their arses and look they'll see...... they're making f**ken 'P' already, the biggest problem to face the WORLD in years.
BTW, I don't smoke the shit, but have done a little in my younger days.

[DEATH_INC.]

You're not smoking this stuff are you? Because you sound really paranoid and deluded.

I have yet to see this with it.......funny how it effects different people eh? Just like piss......

[SixPackBack]

You're not smoking this stuff are you? Because you sound really paranoid and deluded.

Accusations without proof are probably well outside of the new police directive to behave appropriately at all times. A more suitable reply from you would have been: I disagree with you Sir Sixpack.

And no I do not use drugs nor do I judge those that do.