Cannabis legalisation

[Patrick]

One of the most ridiculous pieces of legislation in recent years was the lowering of the drinking age. All that did was make it easier for those most at risk to get their drug.

Another, just as ridiculous, could be the legalising of cannabis perhaps?

[idleidolidyll]

I doubt many, if any, stoners get Tazered... way too mellow usually...

It's a good point though: if the overpolicing of cannabis was removed, cops would be more free to police REAL crime

[idleidolidyll]

Another, just as ridiculous, could be the legalising of cannabis perhaps?

unlikely: cannabis use in Holland, where it is as good as legal, is considerably LOWER than in NZ.

Interestingly, cannabis 'addiction' or half that of alcohol by user group and cannabis addiction As per the report) is psychological NOT physical. Kinda makes the point that criminality preventing education CAN be used to overcome psychological addiction.

That's what I mean about inexpert opinions; I humbly suggest you go read the Health Committee report (sure I can be humble).

[idleidolidyll]

So it does make you paranoid after all?????????

"Prisons are FULL of VICTIMLESS CRIMINALS?????" What have you been smoking?????

Health committee report: there is no substantive evidence to support the opinion that cannabis makes you paranoid

[idleidolidyll]

So it does make you paranoid after all?????????

"Prisons are FULL of VICTIMLESS CRIMINALS?????" What have you been smoking?????

so obviously it's NOT the drug making people paranoid; it's the harm the law and its policing is doing that makes people paranoid

[idleidolidyll]

I take you still don't understand what Scummy is saying??? He was agreeing with you on the alcohol thing... adding another bad thing to the pool is not a good thing. Get it now?

dumb argument: pharmaceuticals add new drugs to the market every single year.


more sensible argument: prohibition does more harm than good and prevents realistic education and supports gangs and other criminals who oppose the legality of cannabis as their income would diminish drastically.

[oldrider]

My brain pays for my petrol. No chance in hell I'll consider to try anything potentially harmful for its functioning. If you want to fsck up yours, that's your own problem as long as you stay off the road and don't threaten to kill me or anybody else. I say, other than that, the only law governing drug use should be Darwin's.

I tend to be a bit of a "Libertarian" in my political thoughts.

I voted for No4 and Street Gerbil has echoed my own attitude to the topic!

Let Darwin sort out the abusers but please not at taxpayers expense. John.

[idleidolidyll]

As I have said earlier, it is socially acceptable for me to be physically addicted to a perscription pain killer. I have not met many people who have even batted an eyelid when told by me.

It is not a problem for me personally because at this point in time I need to take something on a regular basis but as an experiment and to prove to my doctor that I was right I took myself off these pills a few months ago. I lasted one and a half days! My body went into withdrawl and it was not pleasent.

Will have to wean off them slowly when I need to but it proved to me that, as I had suspected, my body had a physical need for these pills.

My point is that if I had told these same people that I was smoking dope as a pain reliever then they would have been mortified.

I don't, I won't but I probably should smoke instead.

a little over 2 years ago i broke my back, was paralysed for 4 months, operated on and can walk again although still have no sensation in a good part of my right side.
for more a year i had chronic pain and without sleeping pills, didn't get a wink of sleep (nerve damage and spinal chord damage, which I have, are a causes of insomnia).

One day when visiting a good friend (thanks Nig), I was offered a joint and told it would probably help (no, not the first in my life).

It certainly did and I stopped taking 8-12 tramol a day, 16-20 paracetamol a day and 2 sleeping pills a day.

Yes, I still get pain (managable with THC...oops, TLC ) but at least I can sleep and my stomach etc won't be damaged by those high pharmaceuticals (that much tramol a day makes a person far more dopey than cannabis BTW).

[idleidolidyll]

Best reason for motorcyclists to use cannabis?:

It makes you ride better!

Well that was my observation yesterday. Saw a fellow rider smoke a joint then saw him ride better than I have ever seen him ride; way better.

Ok, OK! It WAS a non scientific piece of research but that's what I saw.

Strangely enough, many cannabis users state that they can concentrate better on the task in hand after a puff. They say it helps block out extraneous stuff that usually distracts.

Pity the NZACU people were poisoned by the influence of a cop and now will ban people for having any cannabis in them even if they are not stoned and it was taken a week ago.

Strangely (NOT!), they don't ban alcoholics; hell, they even seem to encourage those folk!

[SixPackBack]

Yep... that'll work.... NOT!!!!!!!!!

"P" for free... catchy marketing slogan perhaps?

Maybe, maybe not. It would within a generation significantly strengthen the gene pool. Treat the masses like children and naturally they behave as such, give them an informed and HONEST choice the result is rather suprising [et al Holland].

Another most important, misunderstood side effect would be the lack of patronising mixed messages emanating from the government. Perhaps then we could have an honest view of drugs per se instead of the current regime that sees tobacco, alcohol and prescription drugs pushed and thc as an evil.

I know I am wasting my time preaching to the police, as previously stated legalising cannabis would effectively take work away from them, it is after all in their best interest to create as many repeat criminals as possible.

[Patrick]

dumb argument: pharmaceuticals add new drugs to the market every single year.


more sensible argument: prohibition does more harm than good and prevents realistic education and supports gangs and other criminals who oppose the legality of cannabis as their income would diminish drastically.

Dumber argument... the "Pool" already includes your pharmaceuticals...

Gangs will move on to the harder stuff, but many already into that, just to make their $$$... Encourage gangs to move onto harder more devastating drugs is what you are saying.

[Patrick]

Health committee report: there is no substantive evidence to support the opinion that cannabis makes you paranoid

Wife: made her paranoid!

Case proved.... stuff the reports...

[Patrick]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3]I know I am wasting my time preaching to the police, as previously stated legalising cannabis would effectively take work away from them, it is after all in their best interest to create as many repeat criminals as possible.

So dope users become repeat criminals? Thanks for that, we thought so too...

[idleidolidyll]

Dumber argument... the "Pool" already includes your pharmaceuticals...

Gangs will move on to the harder stuff, but many already into that, just to make their $$$... Encourage gangs to move onto harder more devastating drugs is what you are saying.

real reason cannabis is still illegal?

business hasn'rt figured out how to tax it yet and the ease with which it can be grown means they're afraid of losing other revenue

another reason: ignorant conservatives religious fundies are opposed to anything their mythical deity might possibly have disliked (or at least their version of some deity)

and yes, lots of cops get to keep their jobs

[idleidolidyll]

So dope users become repeat criminals? Thanks for that, we thought so too...

of course they do, that's a no brainer

1 joint on monday = 1 court case

1 joint on saturdy = another court case

giving any to your mates = another court case

buying any from a tinnie house because it's hard to find through safer means = another court case

growing it because you don't want to have anything to do with gangs = another court case

it's the gift that keeps on giving for coppers