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    Simple lap timer

    I have nearly completed a prototype of a very simple lap-timer...and I need your help to workout some desirable features.

    I don't really want to discuss the merits of automatic lap-timers and more complex solutions...this is purely a box with a display, and a button. All I want to do now is sort out the software/features for it.

    I plan to chuck a unit or two at some racers to help them out in the VMCC this year, not looking at making stacks of cash eh?

    Design Concept:
    A simple box with an internal battery and one external switch. The racer/rider rides around a track, pushes a button on the handlebars (mounted somewhere convenient), the unit will display the elapsed time since you last pushed the button. Presumably you are going to select somewhere on the track that is not considered a busy section (front straight/pit straight). SO ideally its to give immediate feedback to how fast you're going while you're out there on the bike.

    So this is the hardware design:
    • The unit will be quite small, probably not 100% waterproof, will have a 4 digit display that shows time down to 0.1s. The image below gives you an indication of the type of display (x4).
    • The box will mount in under your screen, and there will be a switch that remotely mounts near your 'trigger finger'. I was thinking that I want a fairly universal mount for the switch (see pic) and am considering using the brake/clutch lever and a hose-clip (see pic).
    • I think I'll have the unit run off a 9v battery...means we can move it around bikes without having to wire to bike batteries.
    • There will be a reset button on the case/unit itself...and an LED that shows you some sort of status about your lap (to be discussed).




    Software:
    This is how I see the product working at the moment. I'm kinda guessing what would be useful immediate feedback for the rider while trying to appreciate the amount of time you guys have etc.

    • When you roll out on the track your display will show [0:00.0] or something. On the start of your first proper lap you will push the lap button [LAP] at a certain point on the track. I think that you would have the display showing the time counting up (reassurance).
    • ...as you cross your trigger point you push [LAP] again. The display will show you the time elapsed since you last pushed [LAP]. Maybe [1:18.4]?
    • The display will show [1:18.4] for most of the remaining lap. Now I think that as you approach [1:18.4] the display might count down to your fastest lap time so far (obv [1:18.4] at the moment). Depending on the circuit and trigger point, you might have enough time to do this.
    • If your new lap was faster than your fastest lap I think I will have a bright LED flashing on the unit under your screen (next to display).
    • Optional: I could have the new lap-time shown as a difference in time from your fastest lap ie [0:04.3] (flashing LED would indicate a negative difference).
    • Reset button would reset the stored 'fastest lap'.


    So, what do you think? I don't want to know how many people are interested in having one (I have enough to make already), I'll have a stab at getting it right, then maybe offer them for sale. I can't add data-logging and laptop integration features etc...but I can do trick things with the existing hardware/design.

    Appreciate any help. If I can make them real good, then some racers get some good units to use. Cheers!
    Last edited by skelstar; 10th April 2007 at 19:36. Reason: Reset button!
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    Sounds spot on to me bro. The counting down as you aproach your previous time would distract me, and probably have me hitting the button a bit soon, but the rest sounds good.

    As for the button, it might be easier to use the horn button, just take the wires off the horn, and plug your gizmo into them. Although, that would try and feed 12 volts back through the timer, so maybe not such a great idea without a relay of some discription.

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    Shaun, I'd be keen to help you with this. I wouldnt worry about the countdown, you cant watch it anyway. if when you push LAP it displays the lap time for say...20-30s?? then counts you through the rest of your lap? can you rig trigger up to horn button? LED to signify fastest is good idea.
    If your keen to work through it with me i should have a bike thru winter series you can use with me on it to work with??? PM me if ya want
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    Like the distraction point. Valid I think. I want it to be a case of clipping a couple of cable-ties and you can move it to another bike in under 3mins...the horn could be done, but would rather a universal/non-modification solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayRacer37 View Post
    If your keen to work through it with me i should have a bike thru winter series you can use with me on it to work with??? PM me if ya want
    Piss off young fella, your lap times are an embarrasment to the rest of us already! He can mount it on my bike, because...well...COS I FUCKIN WANT IT!!!

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    Jay: I guess on a bike like yours the horn switch wouldn't be a problem. The horn switch would be wired up similar to how my switch would be anyway.

    Let me get this done and I'll throw one at you too. Maybe put one on ya road bike some weekend. Cool?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skelstar View Post
    Like the distraction point. Valid I think. I want it to be a case of clipping a couple of cable-ties and you can move it to another bike in under 3mins...the horn could be done, but would rather a universal/non-modification solution.
    I've never seen a horn with anything other than a pair of flat female spade conectors, but mounting a button would be ok. Problem with it could be, that the switch gear would need to be removed to put it the right spot, so more work for those of us using our road bikes. Sod all maybe, but I am a lazy bastard.

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    Was thinking that someone who thinks they're 'fast' in F1 can 'share' a unit with someone doing the hard graft in F3 ...if the swap over is SUPER easy, then it shouldn't be too much of an issue eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skelstar View Post
    Was thinking that someone who thinks they're 'fast' in F1 can 'share' a unit with someone doing the hard graft in F3 ...if the swap over is SUPER easy, then it shouldn't be too much of an issue eh?
    Take my name off the want list for the first one, I'm no good at sharing toys.

    Two buttons then, one for each bike, that way there is no mount to remove.

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    Yeah, maybe an inline headphone connector or something? Hmm..
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    Quote Originally Posted by skelstar View Post
    Jay: I guess on a bike like yours the horn switch wouldn't be a problem. The horn switch would be wired up similar to how my switch would be anyway.

    Let me get this done and I'll throw one at you too. Maybe put one on ya road bike some weekend. Cool?
    Yea sounds good. we will have to set up a road 'lap' then
    but the WarPig...you havn't seen that......:S
    IF you want to work on it at the track, I should have at least one 600 at the winter series rounds. can work on positioning of the button for the easy on and of if you want. then me n fizzer can compare lap times...
    Sounds like an AWESOME idea....
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    Nah, I've seen the 'pig at the sprints.

    I'll get a switch and make a little mini bracket that will clamp to a brake lever. I can test that on my hack...but I have to sort the software out first.
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    Dunno what the hell Cheezle McJay and Fizzybum are talking about.

    A nine volt battery wont last long enough for either of those poofs to actually complete a whole lap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayRacer37 View Post
    easy on and of if you want. then me n fizzer can compare lap times...
    Sounds like an AWESOME idea....
    Yours will be LAP times, they will compare to my CRAP times, so I dont like this Idea too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skelstar View Post
    Yeah, maybe an inline headphone connector or something? Hmm..
    Even just put a wire on to the back of the horn button and remove from 12V system, then put a quck snap line break in, then the same on your buttons and then on whatever other bikes and buttons it could be going on...that way on and off easy, but still hard mounted to each bike...
    How will you affix LCD display, and LED best lap light?
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