Trial by trickery or how Scott was stitched up

**doc** · 16th September 2007, 19:45

Originally Posted by Hitcher

"Goodie two shoes". I'll let the rest go.

All one can say about the NZ justice system is "FREE SADDAM." NZ legal system would have, and Iraq would be one of our prefered immigrant countries. In this whole case justice was not seen to be done. Which is all it's about really, he was guilty before he went to trial because of the media and police manipulating the pre trial releases. I wasn't interested in the whole trial , never paid it any attention but now wonder how the F..k secret witnesses who contadict each other can be taken seriously. Cmon doesn't the system itimate that it is better one guilty person go free than to hang an innocent one . He didn't even ride a Honda.

**dangerous** · 16th September 2007, 20:29

Originally Posted by doc

All one can say about the NZ justice system is "FREE SADDAM." NZ legal system would have, and Iraq would be one of our prefered immigrant countries. In this whole case justice was not seen to be done. Which is all it's about really, he was guilty before he went to trial because of the media and police manipulating the pre trial releases. I wasn't interested in the whole trial , never paid it any attention but now wonder how the F..k secret witnesses who contadict each other can be taken seriously. Cmon doesn't the system itimate that it is better one guilty person go free than to hang an innocent one . He didn't even ride a Honda.

very true Doc, very true... but his brother rides a Guzzi

**doc** · 16th September 2007, 20:36

Originally Posted by dangerous

very true Doc, very true... but his brother rides a Guzzi

Guilty then aye.

**dangerous** · 16th September 2007, 20:48

Originally Posted by doc

Guilty then aye.

I dont honestly know... but knowing the family Id say NOT GUILTY, either way its a fucking crock a shit the way Scott was delt with, the NZ police force has a lot to answer to.

**pete376403** · 16th September 2007, 21:56

Originally Posted by scumdog

So why WAS Watson stitched up?

Convenient patsy?

Was shagging a judges doris?

Tried to get off a speeding ticket??

Rob Popes resume looks better with successful convictions?? As with the David Bain case, it appears Rob is a bit too prepared to cut corners to get the desired result. And it certainly doesn't appear to have hurt his rise up the system.

**Skyryder** · 17th September 2007, 09:54

Originally Posted by pete376403

Rob Popes resume looks better with successful convictions?? As with the David Bain case, it appears Rob is a bit too prepared to cut corners to get the desired result. And it certainly doesn't appear to have hurt his rise up the system.

I was going to reply to SD's question myself but refrained from doing so as I think he was taking the piss.

Anyway some years back I occasionally ran into a now retired Detective Inspector mainly through plunket and playgroup connections. His wife was connected to the same group as my wife etc. I'll never forget a comment he made when we were discussing the Arther Allan Thomas case.

You don't get promotions if you lose trials. In retrospect I think promotion in the police force is a bit more involved but it was an off the cuff remark, without much thought.

Experiance over the years has taught me to take a great deal of notice of off the cuff remarks. Usually there is some truth in them.

Two million dollars, lot of money to spend with no result.

Don't take a rocket scientist to come to the obvious conclusion. Even the Judge discarded the law.

Skyryder

**scumdog** · 17th September 2007, 10:07

Originally Posted by Skyryder

I was going to reply to SD's question myself but refrained from doing so as I think he was taking the piss.

You don't get promotions if you lose trials. In retrospect I think promotion in the police force is a bit more involved but it was an off the cuff remark, without much thought.
Skyryder

Hence why I have no desire to climb any higher in rank.

I shudder when I look at some that have got to inspector........

**Finn** · 17th September 2007, 10:17

Originally Posted by scumdog

Hence why I have no desire to climb any higher in rank.

So it would be fair to say you're content being the type that just goes "to the market".

**Pixie** · 17th September 2007, 11:16

Originally Posted by scumdog

So why WAS Watson stitched up?

Convenient patsy?

Was shagging a judges doris?

Tried to get off a speeding ticket??

The same reason David Bain and That gay dude at the chch creche was:

A successful conviction is a feather in some cop's cap.

**peasea** · 17th September 2007, 12:04

Originally Posted by scumdog

Hence why I have no desire to climb any higher in rank.

I shudder when I look at some that have got to inspector........

Not poking the Borax, but; could you expand on those comments?

You don't want rise higher you say; why? Is it because you don't want to run the risk of having the finger pointed at you for (hypothetically speaking) conjuring up shonky convictions to score brownie points, or is it that you don't want to rub shoulders with those already a rung or two further up the ladder? Or both?

How many dodgey inspectors spring to mind when you're shuddering and why don't you dob them in? Surely if the police force is harbouring inspectors who are nailing innocent people (or tampering with evidence, making it up, whatever) then the best way to clean things up is from the inside, right? Us mere mortals haven't got a snowball's chance in hell even when it comes to questioning traffic tickets, what show would we have of proving a bent copper to be bent?

Where does one draw the line? If you know someone is doing something wrong and you do nothing, then are you, or are you not, as guilty as that someone?

**Lteejay** · 17th September 2007, 12:59

Originally Posted by Lias

Your being sarcastic I know my friend, but I'd personally rather have innocents locked up every now and then than criminals possibly let loose.

I hope those words give you solace if your ever in that situation.

**Lias** · 17th September 2007, 13:12

Originally Posted by Lteejay

I hope those words give you solace if your ever in that situation.

Would it suck be that person? Sure. But for society overall is locking up a few innocents by mistake better than the potential damage caused by letting the guilty run free? I think so.

**scumdog** · 17th September 2007, 13:15

Originally Posted by peasea

Not poking the Borax, but; could you expand on those comments?

You don't want rise higher you say; why? Is it because you don't want to run the risk of having the finger pointed at you for (hypothetically speaking) conjuring up shonky convictions to score brownie points, or is it that you don't want to rub shoulders with those already a rung or two further up the ladder? Or both?

How many dodgey inspectors spring to mind when you're shuddering and why don't you dob them in? Surely if the police force is harbouring inspectors who are nailing innocent people (or tampering with evidence, making it up, whatever) then the best way to clean things up is from the inside, right? Us mere mortals haven't got a snowball's chance in hell even when it comes to questioning traffic tickets, what show would we have of proving a bent copper to be bent?

Where does one draw the line? If you know someone is doing something wrong and you do nothing, then are you, or are you not, as guilty as that someone?

Whoa, whoa dude, the paranoia will eat you up grasshopper, I was refering to incompetence and poor judgement rather than something more sinister.

Do you really think if innocent people are getting 'nailed' by inspectors that they would make it obvious let alone allow fellow workers know about it??

My comment was based on having no desire to rub shoulders with some who see the job as a way of grand-standing, pay increases and distancing themselves from the coal face.
And making dumb-arsed decisions.

**Wolf** · 17th September 2007, 13:19

Originally Posted by Lias

Would it suck be that person? Sure. But for society overall is locking up a few innocents by mistake better than the potential damage caused by letting the guilty run free? I think so.

Trouble is, for every innocent locked up, there is at least one guilty person running free as an innocent is in clink instead of him/her/them.

As has been pointed out - they pen the innocent, they stop looking for the real villain... If they knew who the real guilty party was, there'd be no need to lock up the innocent (unless the guilty party was someone with enough influence in the "right sectors", of course...)