Criminal intent

[SPman]

I make no apology for lifting this post - I agree with it!

Let’s jump on prisoners again
Oh this is too rich – okay Simon ‘I wanna see em hang’ Power from National has done more to champion a return to public hangings than any other politician in recent memory. NOW, after screaming for more people to be locked up and brutalized in our corrupt and violent prison system (the violent prison system that we don’t care about because we all get angry about crime – something that mostly happens to poor people in the first place but are fanned to levels of paranoia by the fears of the middle classes thanks to Simon ‘I wanna see em hang’ Power), Simon is now critical of the fact that Corrections spends a bundle just moving prisoners from straining, over crowded prison to straining, over crowded prison.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha - hilarious. So Simon screams for prisoners to go to prison, which are over crowded and over stretched leading to a violent and corrupt prison force and Simon is complaining about moving the prisoners around?

You gotta love dem rednecks.

Places like Mt Eden and Pare are a long way removed from nice cosy prison farms......

[doc]

I make no apology for lifting this post - I agree with it!

Places like Mt Eden and Pare are a long way removed from nice cosy prison farms......

Exactly, so the ones from Pare are suddenly before release are suitable for pe release to a prison farm. Oh that's right its the Parole Boards fault. Or was it we weren't consulted on it excuse.

[kro]

Another point to consider is, if you are subject to a heinous crime, lets say your wife is murdered, why should the person who did that be given any special treatment, and be rehabilitated into society?. I would not trust the person, ever, and we often overlook the impact of serious crime on our communities, and start giving hardened crims too much attention, whilst the victims live through a period of abject trauma, with little if any support, other than counselling.

[fireliv]

Well from someone who knows a little on this subject...........

Yes prison in NZ is 2 easy. But making harsher penalties is not going to solve the underlying problems. Yes there are some bad buggers out there, 1% of the population are psychopaths, but the majority of people commit crimes due to things that have gone wrong in their lifes, that can be addressed. Fix the underlying problems, and crime will decrease. As it is there is a huge increase in the crime rates because of the hike in prison sentences in 2002, and now everyone is complaining because more prisons have to be built, which in turn comes back to the taxpayer. So I believe if more money went into educating and aiding the population, then crime would reduce.

Just my 2 cents

[Dave Lobster]

Fix the underlying problems, and crime will decrease.

Mmm.. stop having so many walls - that'll stop people painting on them.
Stop carrying a wallet - that'll stop people stealing it.
Don't drive - you wont have a car to be stolen.
Don't leave possessions in your house - nobody will burgle it.
Pay taxes - then there'll be enough money to give to freeloaders.

[Lias]

I suspect the Human Rights Act intervenes..........

Rant mode on!

The Human Rights act is one of the biggest pieces of shit legislation around.

Because of it, a fundamentalist church cant refuse to hire a satanist or a poof, a warehousing outfit cant refuse to higher a quadroplegic in a wheel chair, etc. Course they still wont hire these people ,they just have to come up with a different excuse, because the law prohibits them from discriminating based on sexuality, religion, or disability.

The HRA it yet another peice of nanny state legislation created by communist scumbags who want everyone to sit around the campfire together and sing kumbaya as equals. Fuck em all

Even if did agree with the basic tennets of the act (which I dont), I firmly believe that anyone who commits a crime serious enough to warrant a stay inside, they give up all the rights that a normal member of society deserves. Crims should have the right to a cold dank cell, bread and water, and hard labour until their sentence is compelte or they die of exhaustion/malnutrition, and fuck all other rights!

[kro]

Well from someone who knows a little on this subject...........

Yes there are some bad buggers out there, 1% of the population are psychopaths

These are the buggers I say we leave inside, I agree, there are people who can be bought back from the brink, and they deserve a second go. Most of the hardened nutters are on their 5th or 6th chance, and still offend. These are the munts that we should confine.

[Quartermile]

Some pr*ck raped beat and murdered a female relative of mine. I hope he in turn gets raped daily, hates it and is tortured by it.

Not going to happen in NZ prisons

Where do you get these idea's from. It's a crim/gang recruting university. Describe punishment they get and rehabilitation they receive.

Punishment:They only get 2 Pay per view movies a day on their SKY TV in their cell then they want 3

Rehabilitation: They do actually get this in a classroom situation 30mins a week which does a lot

Well from someone who knows a little on this subject...........

Yes prison in NZ is 2 easy. But making harsher penalties is not going to solve the underlying problems. Yes there are some bad buggers out there, 1% of the population are psychopaths, but the majority of people commit crimes due to things that have gone wrong in their lifes, that can be addressed. Fix the underlying problems, and crime will decrease. As it is there is a huge increase in the crime rates because of the hike in prison sentences in 2002, and now everyone is complaining because more prisons have to be built, which in turn comes back to the taxpayer. So I believe if more money went into educating and aiding the population, then crime would reduce.

Just my 2 cents

They could of course share cells, oh sorry thats to harsh this is NZ prison not a holiday camp

These are the buggers I say we leave inside, I agree, there are people who can be bought back from the brink, and they deserve a second go. Most of the hardened nutters are on their 5th or 6th chance, and still offend. These are the munts that we should confine.

Exactly first minor offense we can be lighter on them, but their 3rd! maybe a no parole for a start...

[86GSXR]

You are right Kro. New Zealand is too soft, in many ways, and not just in the way we deal with criminals.

And to be fair, Garth McVicar and the sensible sentencing trust have made some progress into dealing with the problem of soft sentences.

I feel sad when I think of the social changes that have occurred in this once (and still) great country in such a short period of time.

I read yesterday that truancy rates have soared 40% in the last two (I think) years!

When I was at school in the 70's, the strap and the cane were an extremely effective way of dealing with any misdemeanors. Instant punishment, and in 99% of cases, lesson learned.

Now, kids know that they can do what they like, and there is virtually nothing that can be done about it. And god forbid corporal punishment.

The social welfare system has become a monster that is just creating and breeding the criminal underclass. This is where a lot of our crims start life.

OK, so a lot of 'economic' policies have been responsible for this as well, but there are always jobs out there if one wants and is prepared to work for one.

I work with a lot of young people, many of them from countries that have compulsory military service. And I have to say that the guys who have done their two years stand head and shoulders above most of the others.

New Zealand used to do this, but now?

I couldn't believe it when NCEA was introduced. A youngster I know got less than 40% in one subject - and passed. God, since when is having an understanding of less than 40% of anything a pass.

Our system rewards mediocre effort and tells us that its 'OK' to not achieve a basic standard. And don't even mention text talk being allowed in exams.

Most policy makers are too scared of not meeting some performance indicator or other that they'll do anything to cover their asses and blame someone, or something else. Like the system they are part of.

BTW, this isn't a slur on our kids, just the systems and policies that have created what we have become. I have a 17 yo at Uni and he's doing just fine