Does this baby deserve parents like this?

[magicfairy]

I'm getting sick of saying it, but I HATE ILLEGAL DRUGS. This woman was caught selling - and it appears also using - ILLEGAL DRUGS - and that is what my argument is about. Hell, I don't even like kids but I think every child deserves the right to grow up in a safe environment. Don't you?

Actually I think I have a bit of experience to offer here.
My mother is an alcholic (legal drug) and we had some pretty miserable experiences growing up because of it (home alone, neglect, poverty,emotional abuse) and she was also addicted to LEGAL prescription drugs. Valium and the like, given out by GP

It never occurred to anyone that we were at risk (this is the 60s and 70s) because nothing she was doing was illegal.

I was also married to an alcoholic for many years. It took me a while to recognise that he was because as he was a fisherman he did not drink all the time. But when he started he could not stop. Never abusive but caused financial and emotional problems and eventually caused our marriage to fail.

I have now been very happily living with someone for 12 years who - shock horror - doesn't have a problem with LEGAL drugs but has been known to smoke a bit of POT.
And you know what - I would have that ANY DAY - compared to the effect those legal drugs had on my life. Now I am just talking pot here, not speed, heroin or any of those other dangerous drugs.

I don't care what the law says, from personal experience I KNOW which was more damaging by about a million light years. If only my mums and husbands problem had been with that particular illegal drug, my life would have been a whole lot better.

[Grahameeboy]

Tis simple folks...as a parent you owe a huge responsibility towards your kid(s) and if you do something that seriously breaches that responsibility then there are going to be consequences and I think we forget that it is the safety and care of the innocent child that is the priority and not the parent.

In this case, the Mother will only be in prison for 5 months. Probably and hopefully enough time for her to think about what she has done and to make some important life decisions.

The kid is being well cared for (priority) by a family member so I think the services have done the right thing.

As for the Father who was severely drunk in charge of his vehicle whilst looking after is Son. 3 years in prison seems harsh when I know of someone who was drunk and killed his best mate who was the front seat passenger and got 1 year in prison...........but at the end of the day he made a bad decision and is paying the consequences and should a Son be exposed to this lack of responsibility.

My 3pence worth.

[Grahameeboy]

I've just been red repped and asked why, as a person with no kids, I am commenting in a thread like this. Well, for a start, I was the one who began the thread because I felt it would spark some debate. I was right - and most of it has been civil. But getting red-repped several times in the same thread by the same person for expressing my opinion is getting a little tiresome. Either express your opinions and let others agree or disagree as they see fit, or fuck off.

Don't worry about it Beemer............they have that choice as do you to simply ignore it.

You don't have to have kids to have the opinion you do and I think it is great that as a non-parent you felt compelled to raise this topic and at least you have been honest about it.

[SixPackBack]

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[Grahameeboy]

Must...re...sist.....no its no good beemer, combine the self confessed hate of children and drugs it seems you are the last person to comment in this thread. Its nothing more than an anus vent, best not to get pissy when some members find your Nazi views intolerable.

In the mean time perhaps this post could placate you?

He said he didn't like kids.............not 'hate'..........you 'hate' the Police.....there endeth the lesson.........

[mstriumph]

we have a new puppy

we thought long and hard before we got him
- would we have enuff time and resource to care for him properly? feed him? exercise him? take him for his vet-checks? teach him how to be a member of our 'pack'?- did we have the comittment needed to ensure he had safe space to run and grow, toys to keep him amused and a roof over his head to keep him dry and warm?

it irritates the bejaysus outta me that people continue to have CHILDREN without a passing THOUGHT about any of the above ............ and then expect the rest of us to pick up the pieces when things go wrong

............ at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, children are way more important than puppies

[Finn]

Must...re...sist.....no its no good beemer, combine the self confessed hate of children and drugs it seems you are the last person to comment in this thread. Its nothing more than an anus vent, best not to get pissy when some members find your Nazi views intolerable.

In the mean time perhaps this post could placate you?

Hmmmm. Most of the bitches in government hate kids and drugs but you allow them to make decisions on how you should raise your children.

[SixPackBack]

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[ManDownUnder]

............ at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, children are way more important than puppies

(not having a go) The other beleedin' obvious thing is that it's a lot more fun to start making a kid than it is to go puppy shopping. Hell I could practice that all day

Ladies - any volunteers?

[SixPackBack]

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[mstriumph]

(not having a go) The other beleedin' obvious thing is that it's a lot more fun to start making a kid than it is to go puppy shopping. .............

granted - but practicing is ONE thing ... swinging into full-scale production of a cute and tiny despot that could well spell the end of 'sex as we know it' is quite another!

.................... the really nice thing about puppies is they NEVER burst into your bedroom unannounced demanding a glass or water or whatever after 'lights out'

[Grahameeboy]

Incorrect..........

I am pleased............

[SixPackBack]

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[mstriumph]

there's something fundementally WRONG with that post SPB - dunno quite wat it is but ----------- give me time and .........

[limbimtimwim]

Considering I come from a Jewish background I find that quite offensive. It is a huge leap to take my statements that I don't feel people should automatically have the right to breed if some of them spend most of their lives in prison and the kids end up suffering as supporting mass genocide.

If you don't mind offending me and others with your opinions, I don't mind offending you.

I make NO apology for my views on people who become involved in selling illegal drugs and if that sickens you, tough shit.

Okay, I'll clarify, since it appears I need to spell it out: You are supporting the removal of a certain type of person from the gene pool. You've said that you don't think that drug dealers should be able to breed. The nazis decided they didn't like a certain type of person, and decided to remove them from the gene pool. If you look at this from a high level evolutionary viewpoint, you propose changing humanity to suit what you would like. Where did you not say that?

I can cut it another way if you like.

Should the law draw a line for sub optimal birth conditions? Perhaps parents should be rated on some sort of score card.

Drug dealer? -10pts
In prison? -20pts
High income? +20pts
White? +10pts
Not white? -10pts
Mother >35yrs? -10pts
Stable relationship with opposite sex? +10pts
More than 80pts on your drivers license? -20pts

Don't make the required 100pts? Oh I'm sorry, the state doesn't like you. You'll be made to take this pill every day until you score enough points.

Where do we draw the line?

I didn't say these people were subhuman, I said that they didn't deserve to have children because of the way they are leading their lives. If they chose to take part in illegal activities and get caught, what sort of example does it give their children?

Illegal does necessarily mean that it is a bad example. In Iran a woman cannot show her face in public: If a mother walks outside in Iran without covering her head in protest and then gets arrested, has she set a good or bad example for her children?

Just because it is legal doesn't make it right sometimes either. How about the parent who gets drunk all the time and gets the the sack from work because they are always hung over? Not illegal, but is that a good or bad example for a child?

Do YOU think that drug-addled criminals deserve to have children? Or to put it another way, do you think children deserve to have drug-addled, criminal parents?

In both cases it seems you are assuming that being a drug dealer makes you the worst possible parent. I'll tell you now, there is no 100% correlation.

Let me tell you about a friend of mine I have known for about 14 years. When you are 25, that's a pretty major chunk of your life. Her house is filled with injured, abandoned and sick animals. She is attentive (Small birds have to be fed often or could die, she tells me) to their needs. She even looks after cats, feeds them well, though she does not like them much because they cause most of the injured avians that come her way.

One day she even risked her neck to save two children from harm.

She's a fricken' hero. She's the sort of person everyone should strive to be. If she lived in a small town, small newspapers would write about her for want of stories.

She sounds like she'd make a super parent, doesn't she?

I'd name this super person, but I can't. Because she sells weed. Would you deny her the right to have children because she breaks a law?

Oh yes, you read that correctly. Everyone has the right to have children, it is embodied in their right to life. Reproduction is simply part of life and there is no life without reproduction. Deny someone reproduction and you effectively kill them.