It's a sad day (Virginia University shootings, 16 April)

[jrandom]

Should have got a .45.

Yes, I suppose it had to be the guy on the Hogley who said that.

And it's pronounced FOWERTY FAHVE, thank you very much.

[NZHog]

I was trying to keep it short & sucked sink...

I have put in excess of 20k 9mm rounds thru a Glock, but if I was picking one for carry it would be a FOWERTY FAHVE.

[Swoop]

Yet as far as I'm aware, the clerk did not immediately rush out and buy a FOWERTY FAHVE. I guess some people never learn, eh?

Good thing he didn't have a FOWERTY FAHVE there, in fact, or the lady and child would have been traumatised by seeing the bad guy's arms and head explode off as what was left of his body flew across the room and out through the wall into the street.

Shit no! The whole building would have expoloded with a mushroom cloud over it! Serious. I sawed it on the internit!!!

[Timber020]

Oh yeah, it would have been much better if more kids had guns at the tech.

In classroom number 2 Shooter number one (the official spree killer) lets off a fistful

In classroom 1, Good, cleancut, well practiced, redneck gun loving jock hears the shooting, and as others duck for cover he draws his springfield match 45 from his bag and bravely heads for the hallway to protect his fellow alumni

In classroom 3, Good, cleancut, well practiced, redneck gun loving jock hears the shooting, and as others duck for cover he draws his springfield match 45 from his bag and bravely heads for the hallway to protect his fellow alumni.

All three meet in the crowded student filled hallway.

Or a plainsclothes armed cop shows up

Or one good guy kills spree killer but in case its like columbine with 2 shooters he stays at the ready and bumps into another student at the ready.

The problem often is that the guys that most want to carry guns are the types who should least carry them, just like the people who most want to be politicians probably shouldnt be. US needs better gun control, I have heard all the arguements, but have seen the reality. I was a member of the NRA and been around more rednecks that a slave trader. Guys who love guns think they are the answer, but they are only looking the the problem from there own sights.

[oldrider]

The medical profession don't carry "guns" but they manage to kill more people per year than get killed on the road and nobody even turns a hair!

Emotional subject, guns!

[scumdog]

Oh yeah, it would have been much better if more kids had guns at the tech.

In classroom number 2 Shooter number one (the official spree killer) lets off a fistful

In classroom 1, Good, cleancut, well practiced, redneck gun loving jock hears the shooting, and as others duck for cover he draws his springfield match 45 from his bag and bravely heads for the hallway to protect his fellow alumni

In classroom 3, Good, cleancut, well practiced, redneck gun loving jock hears the shooting, and as others duck for cover he draws his springfield match 45 from his bag and bravely heads for the hallway to protect his fellow alumni.

All three meet in the crowded student filled hallway.

Or a plainsclothes armed cop shows up

Or one good guy kills spree killer but in case its like columbine with 2 shooters he stays at the ready and bumps into another student at the ready.

Then there's the scenario where the shooter(s) know (or maybe don't know?) that several others around them in the area may also be carrying guns - and these others may shoot them - and the shooter(s) don't exactly know WHO around them is armed......

[gunnyrob]

Roight, ere we go then. Lots of people (quite rightly) will condemn the spread of firearms in the states. unfortunately, under thier right to bear arms, it's a given that these sorts of things will occur from tiime to time. To put it bluntly (REALLY BLUNTLY) this incident would have been minimised if one of the victims or witnessess had on their persons a firearm powerful enough to drop the perp during the incident.

The golden rule of history is: Those with the weapons, make the rules. that's it.

If some fecker comes gunning for me, I'll happily beat his brains out with a softball bat or whatever else it takes to survive. I'll never take death lying down, whimpering for mercy. (cos it won't come from a psycho)

Anyway, let's yak about bikes.

[Mr Merde]

As much as this pains me to say.... yes.

Not having met the man in person, but having the pleasure of conversation with him via this board, I would also agree.

Some people dont have to rant and rave in vain attempts to make themselves sound important. Some individuals are capable of rational thought and very seldom resort to rhetoric and emotional cliches.

These people are usually the quiet well educated majority. The so called silent majority and I personally would trust this person.

[Mr Merde]

So where in responsible is a Semi Auto 9MM Pistol?

Ah the ubiquiteous 9mm, favorite caliber of all those wannabe baddies. The mock hard men who go around saying how wonderful they are. The caliber so often portrayed being fired horizontal, upside down and capable of penetrating a bulletproof jacket where all else fails.

The favourite caliber of those kiddies that grew up playing computer games where the 9mm rules all.

Its nothing to do with the caliber.

Its all to do with the person who holds the firearm. Responsibility rests with the individual unless you live in the nanny state, where all responsibility has been removed from you or at least nulified, and you have been force fed PC crap in order to perpetuate the myth that nothing is your fault.

Wake up and smell the roses. Think for yourself and take responsibility for your own actions. Unfortunately this may entail actually having to concieve an original thought and therefore may be damaging to your subconcious.


Mr

[kro]

It's sad to say, but America has a cliche killing pattern for angst teens, with poor coping mechanisms for being teased, and ready access to guns.

The High School "massacre" is just that, a cliche kill, and I will guarantee there will be underground websites dedicated to them, and a cult following of each one, with the killers being immortalised as martyrs and heros.

Americans are not only soft physically, they are soft mentally, and look to blame all their woes on something, or someone else, rather than just manning the hell up, and dealing with shit. Boo hoo, I was teased at school, and the popular kids didn't like me........ big fucking deal pal, you just described 70% of kids in school.

There will be a period of grief, a lawsuit thrown here and there, and Heston will to continue to wave his constitutional rights in the faces of grieving families. This is all that ever happens. Don't read this post wrong, I feel for the families, and these events are tragedies in the true meaning of the word, but these kids make me angry.

[scumdog]

Americans are not only soft physically, they are soft mentally, and look to blame all their woes on something, or someone else, rather than just manning the hell up, and dealing with shit. Boo hoo, I was teased at school, and the popular kids didn't like me........ big fucking deal pal, you just described 70% of kids in school.

My observations are that one day some guy in another country will be saying the same thing about New Zealanders.

More and more I see kids why say "it's not my fault" - "I can't do that I might get hurt" and even worse, are supported by parents of like minds.

(Except when they guzzle cheap alcopop drinks and drive like effwits, they never think they're going to be hurt then - but if they do it's the mythical "somebody elses" fault)

Personal Responsibility? Pffft! They don't know the meaning!!

[Swoop]

In classroom number 2 Shooter number one.......blah, blah, blah

Perhaps if a person has a handgun on them, they would choose to sit tight and then wait for the authorities to arrive, rather than try to hunt down said perp (as described in your scenario)?

According to the student interviewed on last nights news, the perp came to him, not the other way around.

[Swoop]

Well, I do not know that. In fact I know just the opposite. Israel has probably the largest per capita population carrying guns on the street at any given time (concealed or not) yet violence (apart from homicide bombers) is unheard of. Registration of a firearm requires extensive training and annual refresher courses, even for those of us with military background and punishment for possession of an unregistered weapon is severe.
The thing is, when everybody carries a gun, people tend to respect each other, even if only just in case.

Israel is a bit different being a militarized country. Quite similar to Switzerland really in that sense.

I was thinking of countries like NZ, where registering the person, but not the gun, works well.
The other end of the spectrum is Canada, where they have attempted to register each and every firearm. A total disaster. The system has costs rising into the billions of dollars but has yet to solve a single crime.
Nice to see tax dollars being used wisely.

[scumdog]

The other end of the spectrum is Canada, where they have attempted to register each and every firearm. A total disaster. The system has costs rising into the billions of dollars but has yet to solve a single crime.
Nice to see tax dollars being used wisely.

Speaking of the above, has registration EVER prevented a shooting?

I doubt it very much - and all the arguments for registration are 'feel good' arguments.

Politicians:"Lets register guns, THAT will make things safer and stop these shootings"

Non gun-owning public: "Yeah, do it, it'll save lives and make things safer"

Nobody: "How will it save lives?????"

[Swoop]

Speaking of the above, has registration EVER prevented a shooting?

I doubt it very much - and all the arguments for registration are 'feel good' arguments.

Politicians:"Lets register guns, THAT will make things safer and stop these shootings"

Non gun-owning public: "Yeah, do it, it'll save lives and make things safer"

Nobody: "How will it save lives?????"

Did you catch that load of bollocks on Campbell Live last night?
What a one-sided propaganda broadcast from that unqualified, pretend academic, phillip alpers.
What a load of crap.
John Campbell. Be ashamed of that type of reporting/interviewing. Biased, one-sided claptrap.