It's a sad day (Virginia University shootings, 16 April)

[ManDownUnder]

Nobody: "How will it save lives?????"

Because we'll have a list!

Lists are good for all sorts of things - they need:
Money to get on the list (revenue's always a good thing)
Administrators (Revenue has to pay for something)
Researchers
Secrecy (God forbid the list should contribute anything meaningful to society at large)
... etc

Lists are the way to go.

Next thing - they should start another list - lets say registering the owners of firearms. Then we could start doing the fun stuff... correlations on number of guns, calibers, sources of guns.

Shit yeah lists are the way to go!

... if only they somehow stopped 9mm semi auto pistols getting into the hands of 12 to 15 year olds who clearly know shit about them and their use so they can go pop a cap in the ass of the other ganstas out there.

Meanwhile - those of us legitimate gun owners and users sit out here, on the lists, waiting to have some of our freedoms or intentions put under the microscope again because some fuckwit loosed off a few rounds of high speed lead to look cool.

I have a simple solution I'd like to propose. Anyone doing dumb shit like that loses the right to remain attached to their trigger finger(s). A stint on White Island might be a fun addition too.

[Timber020]

Theres no way of reversing the gun culture in the US, but just as full autos were banned I think back in the thirtys, and mail order sight unseen sales were stopped in the 60's, laws can be implemented.

This kid wouldnt have been able to kill anywhere near as many if he didnt have access to automatic pistols. with revolvers, even with speed loaders, his rate of fire and loading cycle would have been drastically reduced. less would have died.

Im not saying ban pistols, as thats simply impossible. But by banning autos and the ammo that they use, you could make alot of headway. 9mm para 380, 40, and 45 are all calibres that are not found in revolvers and seldom found in rifles but are largely used in auto pistols and SMG's such as the ones the columbine kids used. they are only really good for killing people. (although I did find the 380 good for killing racoons at close range). Dont get me wrong, I love letting loose with an MP5 or Springfield match, but they are an ego toy. If you think you need more than 6 shots of 357 or more than 8 of 12 gauge to defend yourself, you need to find yourself a nice padded cell with the outside clad in claymores. Coz theres no safe place in your head.

Keep the revolvers, hunting rifles and shotguns, but if you have a gun capable of killing 20 people in as many seconds, as the bear says "your not here for the hunting are ya"

[SpankMe]

Cho Seung-Hui (from South Korea) brought the 9 mm Glock 19 for $571 and the background check only took a minute.

Bloody hell, at least make them go through the process of acquiring a firearms licence before handing out weapons.

You need a licence for a car, you even need a licence for a dog, so why not a firearm??

[Joni]

I presume this will go on mass murder fairly quickly huh Spank?

[Swoop]

Keep the revolvers, hunting rifles and shotguns, but if you have a gun capable of killing 20 people in as many seconds, as the bear says "your not here for the hunting are ya"

How many deaths are caused by revolvers per year? MUCH cheaper to purchase and far more prevalent on the streets.
How many from rifles?

Coming out and saying "ban this but don't ban that" is bollocks. All you have done is allowed yourself to be duped by the anti-gun lobby.
Their tactic is to divide and conquer.

England has allowed itself to ban all handguns, yet STILL violent handgun deaths are occurring throughout the UK and particularly in the big cities. Why? Simply because criminals do not obey laws, resulting in only UK's law abiding citizens being punished.

[SpankMe]

Yep, having different licence categories is stupid.

If I can't be trusted with one type of firearm, why can I be trusted with another. I could be just as deadly with a lever action rifle or pump action shotgun as I could with a semi auto rifle with 20 round magazine. Firing faster does not make you more lethal as you wont hit sweet fuck all just pulling the trigger as fast as you can, and pump/lever action rifles can be topped up with ammo as you fire.

[jonbuoy]

He could just have easily done the same with a home made bomb. Tough call. A handgun is more easily concealed than a hunting rifle. There are still illegal handguns in circulation in the UK but you would have to know the right people to get one - not just walk into the local gun shop and fill out a form.

[scumdog]

Did you catch that load of bollocks on Campbell Live last night?
What a one-sided propaganda broadcast from that unqualified, pretend academic, phillip alpers.
What a load of crap.
John Campbell. Be ashamed of that type of reporting/interviewing. Biased, one-sided claptrap.

Nah, dang, at the old ladys 80th birthday!

Alpers? A self-serving egotisttical twat of a wind-mill jouster.

Dangerous because he's 'accepted' and ignorant at the same time.

[Indiana_Jones]

England has allowed itself to ban all handguns, yet STILL violent handgun deaths are occurring throughout the UK and particularly in the big cities. Why? Simply because criminals do not obey laws, resulting in only UK's law abiding citizens being punished.

Exactly.

Also, John Campbell is a pompus, up himself, left wing, faggot nuts.

-Indy

[Swoop]

Nah, dang, at the old ladys 80th birthday!.

Hmm. My Mums 78th was on the weekend. Hope you took your Mum somewhere nice for dinner!

Dangerous because he's 'accepted' and ignorant at the same time.

Ain't that the truth.
"Deluded" could fit in there somewhere as well.

Exactly.
Also, John Campbell is a pompus, up himself, left wing, faggot nuts.

Actually, I have quite enjoyed his shows, ... until now that is. Last nights performance was the type of gutter drivel that one would expect from the likes of a sensationalist egotist, such as paul holmes.
Completely unbalanced, one-sided reporting media crap.

[SARGE]

[jonbuoy]

Good to see your back there sarge.

[Sniper]

Wondered where you been matey. Its been hard work keeping some hooligans in line

[Hitcher]

Good to see your back there sarge.

And good to see his front as well?

[Finn]

Cat got your tongue Sarge?

I can see that you've taken an interest in this thread and I know how it must make you feel. Being a staunch democrat, it must surely make your blood boil. I mean, when will your fellow American's get it through their thick, arrogant, red neck heads that their right to bear arms is ridiculous. This gun ho attitude got them into all this mess in Iraq, a war they have lost. Like yourself, I would have thought that 911 would have taught them a lesson.

Hope you're doing well mate.