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    Quote Originally Posted by WRT View Post
    Just a little curious - in the photo half way down the page here:

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...260892,00.html

    There is a man getting arrested by the police. How then, did he manage to "turn his gun on himself" with his hands cuffed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRT View Post
    Just a little curious - in the photo half way down the page here:

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...260892,00.html

    There is a man getting arrested by the police. How then, did he manage to "turn his gun on himself" with his hands cuffed?
    Possibly a policy of treating anyone in the buildings as suspects until proven otherwise. Herd everyone out of the facilities but be aware that the murderer might try to hide in amongst the mass that is exiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by placidfemme View Post
    yeah wait for the cover-up
    Nah - that scumbag was speeding past the dorm..... Had to arrest him before someone got hurt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexthekidd View Post
    How would these deserving citizens be seperated from those people with gang connections, or those on P?
    Perhaps by using sensible laws such as those we have in NZ that allow certain, appropriately checked and vetted, citizens the right to own pistols, rifles and shotguns of varying types.



    Strangely enough... The shooting in the US, at a McD's some years back. One of the people in the restaurant at that time, decided to leave his handgun in the glovebox of his car. When the murderer entered and proceeded to shoot the place up, he did not have access to a tool that could have prevented some of the deaths.
    A large amount of states are promoting the concealed carry permit. If a person meets certain criteria then they may carry, quite lawfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManDownUnder View Post
    Lets examine this for a second.

    3 components involved in the shooting.
    The shooter
    The gun
    The ammo

    Can the ammo do this by itself... errr - no
    The gun perhaps.... errrr no
    The person - why yes! Look at that. The person has the requisite freedom of thought and movement to orchestrate use of the gun, and ammunition in a manner that kills people.

    With respect Hitch - short sighted, and off target comeback.
    How so? Take away any of those factors and the crime does not happen. The idea that tipping MORE guns into a society will prevent or lessen the impact of these crimes is ever so slightly dubious (at best). Sure he could use a bomb or poisen or another weapon of math destruction (it was a technical university) but in most cases they don't... Handguns are a serious problem in the hands of the disturbed, the bitter or Americans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    How so? Take away any of those factors and the crime does not happen.
    He could have instead beaten people to death with the gun. Or thrown ammo at them and hoped they died.
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    Check out a person by the name of Harold Shipton.

    UK's biggest mass murderer (approx 300 killed) and his weapon of choice


    A hypodermic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    How so? Take away any of those factors and the crime does not happen. The idea that tipping MORE guns into a society will prevent or lessen the impact of these crimes is ever so slightly dubious (at best).
    As I pointed out above, though, the main problem is that the horse has already bolted. You can't get guns out of American society.

    An object lesson, perhaps? By the 1950s, nobody could put the nucular genie back into its lamp. The MAD doctrine subsequently kept the world safe from nucular annihilation for 40 years.

    In a similar fashion, good guys with weapons hanging out in malls and schools, and the knowledge that there are good guys with weapons hanging out in malls and schools, can keep the aspirations of violent criminals in check.

    It's unfortunate, but when you can't take away the guns that the bad guys already have, it's pragmatic.

    I agree, however, that this logic does not automatically extend to societies that aren't already stuck in the morass of violence that the USA has dug itself into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Merde View Post
    UK's biggest mass murderer (approx 300 killed)...
    To pick a nit, in common usage, he wasn't a 'mass murderer'. He was a serial killer. 'Mass murder' typically refers to a single incident causing multiple fatalities, almost always resulting in the death or capture of the perpetrator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper View Post
    Or thrown ammo at them and hoped they died.
    Or forced them to swallow the projectile and wait for lead poisoning to occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    So you're saying the perpetrator would have been able to kill 22 people randomly without the use of a firearm?

    Unfortunatly yes, wasnt so long ago that a lot more people were killed by some people with box cutters. All it takes is a little sad and demented imagination and you can fly plane loads of people into tall buildings with just the simplest of tools.
    Passing the blame onto firearms shifts the blame and cause of these problems away from the actual root cause, and in this case i suspect God would only know.
    It is a tragic day for mankind but this isnt the first nor unfortunaly the last of mass killing around the world

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    Mind you - fast food chains and tobacco companies have been killing people en masse' for years so i suppose a mere 32 is a blip..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Perhaps by using sensible laws such as those we have in NZ that allow certain, appropriately checked and vetted, citizens the right to own pistols, rifles and shotguns of varying types.



    Strangely enough... The shooting in the US, at a McD's some years back. One of the people in the restaurant at that time, decided to leave his handgun in the glovebox of his car. When the murderer entered and proceeded to shoot the place up, he did not have access to a tool that could have prevented some of the deaths.
    A large amount of states are promoting the concealed carry permit. If a person meets certain criteria then they may carry, quite lawfully.
    But by arming normal people and allowing them to conceal their weapons you are giving them a vigilante like status, power will go to someones head and that will cost more lives.

    Guns are far to readily available in the US. I lived there for 3 years and people were amazed that we didn't have a gun. What amazed me most about the whole thing was that they sell guns at Wal-Mart and K-Mart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexthekidd View Post
    ... by arming normal people and allowing them to conceal their weapons you are giving them a vigilante like status, power will go to someones head and that will cost more lives.
    Oh, do fuck off with that bullshit.

    If I gave you a gun to walk around with, would you ever let that 'go to your head'?

    If so, you're enough of a danger to society that you certainly shouldn't be given a driver's licence. Or, for that matter, allowed to breed and raise kids.

    Normal, healthy individuals do not turn into power-crazed killers just because they have access to a weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexthekidd View Post
    Guns are far to readily available in the US.
    This is arguably true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexthekidd View Post
    Guns are far to readily available in the US. I lived there for 3 years and people were amazed that we didn't have a gun. What amazed me most about the whole thing was that they sell guns at Wal-Mart and K-Mart.
    Its a good family orientated store. Sure they could work a bit more on people and responsibilities, but I know I was brought up around firearms and I know that all you need is proper education
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