Arrests made at Wellington Dawn Service

[James Deuce]

I agree..the Parade was not the place to air their view cause it was simply a memorial service to remember those that fell in battle, nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of war, arms or whatever.

Shame is that globally the Movement does a lot of good......just took 2 idiots to ruin the good that is done...

There was more than two. They were the people that were "sacrificed" to make a point. Quite convenient that the two people have no phone records, no power records, no mortgage, and no tenancy agreement in their name, isn't it? To all intents and purposes they are non-citizens. They don't contribute. They thieve and spit on the memory of more than 30000 dead people.

The rest of the organisation had an opportunity to make it right by dealing with those two themselves, in public view. They didn't so they are all culpable.

I didn't think it was possible to to raise my ire and then 48 hours later find it hardening into something that I probably should have developed a few years ago.

[MSTRS:Me]

Aggression towards this pair (and their fellow cretins) has little or no place. Aggression is posturing, threats and talk of retribution. Not good enough.
These c**ts stomped all over the sensibilities of NZers, and the law is insufficient to deal with them. Natural justice should have had a place in this case, and still should.

[SARGE]

however there is a line and we should just let our free country deal with these guys within the law of the country.

are these the same laws that gave that kid that killed his mate in the car accident 3 months supervision?.. the same laws that see murderers released from prison only to do it again ? .. the same laws that prosecute shop owners for shooting a maniac with a machete ?..


ok... just checking ...

[Mr Merde]

are these the same laws that gave that kid that killed his mate in the car accident 3 months supervision?.. the same laws that see murderers released from prison only to do it again ? .. the same laws that prosecute shop owners for shooting a maniac with a machete ?..


ok... just checking ...

Yes those are the ones. That is the system. Dont you feel safe and protected by them? They do so much to promote that inner feeling of oneness with the peoples of the world.

You should feel honoured that the potitically correct and the "powers that be" allow you to have such liberties and rights.

With out them allowing you to have them you could be at the mercy of any scumbag that decides that their needs and wants are more important than yours. Whoops I just described the government.

So to reiterate.

Enjoy what they have given you, bask in the knowledge that the state doesnt give a shit about your needs and want unless you happen to be an underprivilged criminal scumbag


Mr

[sAsLEX]

are these the same laws that gave that kid that killed his mate in the car accident 3 months supervision?.. the same laws that see murderers released from prison only to do it again ? .. the same laws that prosecute shop owners for shooting a maniac with a machete ?..


ok... just checking ...

That put people n prison to suffer with......


nice meals

LCD Tvs

XBOX

Playstation

Sky

the chance to earn whilst in there

guards that are no longer allowed to physically intimidate, let alone strike you for misbehaving

and have your stay shortened for some reason unkown to most by the parole board

[Skyryder]

No one has the right to take the law into their own hands. Step over that threshold and you are no better than those two at the parade.

[SARGE]

Enjoy what they have given you, bask in the knowledge that the state doesnt give a shit about your needs and want unless you happen to be an underprivilged criminal scumbag


Mr

6 months ago .. i was laying all snuggled up in bed about 1 am .. i heard my son yell.. i ran downstairs and the back door was open.. my son told me that he woke up and this guy in a hoodie was in his room standing over his bed ..my son yelled and he heard my big ass charging down the stairs and bolted ..

im surprised that i didnt get charged with denying the hoodie man his human right of making a living by closing my doors ...

[sAsLEX]

No one has the right to take the law into their own hands. Step over that threshold and you are no better than those two at the parade.

umm we do actually. Citizens do have powers of arrest but the rules are an arse and unless well versed in them its better not to dabble.




And to stand by and do nothing whilst the country slowly falls into the toilet as the police are understaffed and under resourced in the area we need them is a better solution than to stand up to these jellyfish?

[Mr Merde]

6 months ago .. i was laying all snuggled up in bed about 1 am .. i heard my son yell.. i ran downstairs and the back door was open.. my son told me that he woke up and this guy in a hoodie was in his room standing over his bed ..my son yelled and he heard my big ass charging down the stairs and bolted ..

im surprised that i didnt get charged with denying the hoodie man his human right of making a living by closing my doors ...

Just think, your physical intimadation actually denied this underpriviliged person from managing to carry on with his state given right to make a living off of your back.

Your name should be posted the door of the town hall and vilified accross the country.

How dare you infringe upon this poor under privilged ,and valued member of the community (cos it keeps the bleeding hearts in work). By denying him the right to carry out his/her lifestyle choice you may have contributed to an emotional scarring that will cost the state a fortune to repair.

The full force of law should be brought to bear upon you and you should be made to seek out this person and present them with a copyy of the keys to your home in recompense.

The state will once they discover this persons identity, supply re education, housing, a gratuity befitting his/her lifestyle and a free land grant.

I am humbled by the state and appalled by your reckless behaviour


Mr

[MSTRS:Me]

No one has the right to take the law into their own hands. Step over that threshold and you are no better than those two at the parade.

That is precisely why we have such a problem in this society these days...the law has no teeth to be respected, the scum know this and feel protected from any consequences.
It is human nature to avoid situations that are 'personally harmful' (shall we say) and knowing that personal harm will befall (pricks like these etc) would go a long way towards a return to a more respectful NZ.

[Skyryder]

umm we do actually. Citizens do have powers of arrest but the rules are an arse and unless well versed in them its better not to dabble.

The powers of arrest differ from the dispensing of justice that many here are advocating.

When you place your morals at a higher level than those that you disagree with and advocate retribution outside of the law then you have taken the first step on the path of a vigilante.

[ManDownUnder]

So I got thinking about this... and tried to turn it on it's head.

What if a pro war statement was made at the funeral of one of the Wellington Peace Movement people... or their family? Maybe with the burning of a family crest or other significant artifact. It'd be loathesome. I couldn't do it. It's the lowest of the low, using a sacred time of rememberance to score political points.

Honestly - I have to give up on that idea (and no please don't anyone do it). You'd be lowering yourself to such a level that I honestly would have trouble sleeping at night.

Sure make your points, pro or anti war. No problems with that. But at a time of remembering the dead, with an implied aim of ridiculing the ultimate sacrifice????

...no...

[sAsLEX]

That is precisely why we have such a problem in this society these days...the law has no teeth to be respected, the scum know this and feel protected from any consequences.
It is human nature to avoid situations that are 'personally harmful' (shall we say) and knowing that personal harm will befall (pricks like these etc) would go a long way towards a return to a more respectful NZ.

I love reading the stories in the news:

Young man runs down hand bag snatcher and holds him till police arrive. Old ladies rejoice, police have charged the hero with disrupting the peace and assualt and something else whilst the shit bag has been given councilling and had previous convictions quashed.


oh and:

Maoris in illegal land occupation have been vandalising property and stealing neighbours power and water. Police have laid no charge and the govt. is just going to give the land to them rent free.


No wonder youth and criminals in this country are starting to act up, there is no longer a balancing force there to keep em in line.

[SARGE]

Just think, your physical intimadation actually denied this underpriviliged person from managing to carry on with his state given right to make a living off of your back.

Your name should be posted the door of the town hall and vilified accross the country.

How dare you infringe upon this poor under privilged ,and valued member of the community (cos it keeps the bleeding hearts in work). By denying him the right to carry out his/her lifestyle choice you may have contributed to an emotional scarring that will cost the state a fortune to repair.

The full force of law should be brought to bear upon you and you should be made to seek out this person and present them with a copyy of the keys to your home in recompense.

The state will once they discover this persons identity, supply re education, housing, a gratuity befitting his/her lifestyle and a free land grant.

I am humbled by the state and appalled by your reckless behaviour


Mr

im so ashamed ...

[Swoop]

What confirms it for me is when the 70+ year olds reunite after 50 years apart. Last time they'd have shot each other on sight.

I loved the story in Spike Milligan's book about having a reunion for those who fought in North Africa. There were several German soldiers who attended and it transpired that Spike and one of the German chaps worked out that they were in the same place of a battlefield, actually shooting at each other!
A comment was passed from a person who was witnessing this discussion taking place, to the effect of "from the fact you are both here today, goes to show what bloody poor shots you both are!"
Classic.

When you place your morals at a higher level than those that you disagree with and advocate retribution outside of the law then you have taken the first step on the path of a vigilante.

Well, that certainly explains a lot of the god-botherers...