Anti-smacking law amended

[Skyryder]

As I understand it in the UK, prosecutions are initiated by the "Crown Prosecution Service" which is a legal body completely independent of the Police somewhat like the American "DA". And it is they who decide if there is enough evidence to prosecute or if it is in the public interest to do so. In NZ Crown Prosecutions are initiated by the Police.

This is why the Police got some much arseholes when they decided not to prosecute all those Politicians over recent years.

I think the Police have to go through the Crown Law Office. The Itallics are mine.


The Crown Law Office provides legal advice and representation services to the government in matters affecting the executive government, particularly in the areas of criminal, public and administrative law. The services provided include matters covering judicial review of government actions, constitutional questions including Treaty of Waitangi issues, the enforcement of criminal law, and protection of the revenue. The Office administers the prosecution process in the criminal justice system, in particular, trials on indictment before juries.

The Office has two primary purposes in providing these services:

* to ensure that the operations and responsibilities of the executive government are conducted lawfully, and
* to ensure that the government is not prevented, through legal process, from lawfully implementing its chosen policies and discharging its governmental responsibilities.


Skyryder

[Phurrball]

NZ has crown prosecutors in addition to the police.

They usually deal with the 'higher end' more complex cases, although the range of what the police prosecute varies in different parts of the country. As I understand it, many Police prosecutors are lawyers.

Various law firms have the crown prosecution warrant up and down the country, with a crown solicitor for the given region - I did a stint clerking for one in Dunedin.

Both the Police and Crown lawyers have discretion WRT whether to lay a charge.

All lawyers are officers of the court (Barrister and Solicitor of the High Court of NZ), and have duties to the court in addition to those to their client (the accused or the crown) eg no misleading the court, if a lawyer has knowledge of an imminent crime, they have a duty to pass this on (to the police) etc.

Clear as mud??

PS - cheers Skyrider - you must be a better typist than I am...(not hard)

[Usarka]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10472554

A lobby group opposing the law banning the smacking of children says a school reported a Wellington mother to Child, Youth and Family Services (CYF) for smacking her child on the hand.

In a second incident two months later, three police officers arrived at he family's home, acting on a complaint from a neighbour.
The mother had smacked her child on the backside with the palm of her hand during an incident around the trampoline in the backyard.
"The police officers were very kind, but warned me of a possible arrest if this sort of thing happened again.

[Big Dan]

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[skidMark]

I thought it already was law?

If not then why are people going to court etc for giving thier kids a little clip on the ear as i have seen in threads on here?

[Big Dan]

Any Lawyers out there

Could this poll have any legal binding thing mean would we be able to present this as part of the petition

I know there is another thread about this but i wanted to do a poll feel free to merge

[Big Dan]

I thought it already was law?

If not then why are people going to court etc for giving thier kids a little clip on the ear as i have seen in threads on here?

mark read or listen to the news

[skidMark]

mark read or listen to the news

Don't watch news, it's all depressing stuff, why watch something thats more bad than good?

Anyways, do enlighten me.

[Big Dan]

Don't watch news, it's all depressing stuff, why watch something thats more bad than good?

Anyways, do enlighten me.

don't have time to enlighten the un-enlightenable

[98tls]

No way,in fact they should pass a law saying a kick up the arse is compulsory for young fellas that fuck up,never did the rest of us any harm and we learnt somethinggo figure.

[Mully]

Any Lawyers out there

Could this poll have any legal binding thing mean would we be able to present this as part of the petition

Well, bush lawyer.

No, cannot be part of the referendum - the petition must have name and address included (part of today's drama, with repeats)

[Big Dan]

No way,in fact they should pass a law saying a kick up the arse is compulsory for young fellas that fuck up,never did the rest of us any harm and we learnt somethinggo figure.

yeah i had the wooden spoon a few times till i hid it (big mistake) dad then started to kettle cord

Now that hurts

Well, bush lawyer.

No, cannot be part of the referendum - the petition must have name and address included (part of today's drama, with repeats)

Worth a try i guess thought i'd ask the lawyers out there anyway

[98tls]

yeah i had the wooden spoon a few times till i hid it (big mistake) dad then started to kettle cord

Now that hurts



Worth a try i guess thought i'd ask the lawyers out there anyway

Went to boarding school at 8 and quickly learnt that fucking up was quickly followed by a cane round your arse,yes it hurt for a few minutes and no i didnt do that again,simple.The dipshits that are running this country are going to breed generations of kids with no boundries,lucky NZ.

[Stirts]

OH FFS the damage has already been done!!! The bastard of the whole thing now is, kids have already been edumacated in the smacking laws at school, hell even at Creche level!!!! NEWS FLASH....KIDS ARE NOT STOOPID!!!

You tap a child on the hand for being a little shit "testing the boundaries" and they go to school/kindie/creche sayin "my mummy/daddy smacked me last nite"

Now being a parent, bringing up your child, the way YOU see fit, has been taken out of your hands to a certain extent!!!!

Do kids come with a user manual when you pop that farker out of you, providing guidence on how YOU should bring up YOUR child?

wait for it.....it will come courtesy of the NZ govt

twitter and bisted aunty

[fridayflash]

in many ways its a human rights issue,removing the right to discipline ones own child in the only way little humans understand is a crime against the laws of nature.therefore a breach of a parents basic rights.
the entire animal kingdom use a marshal or physical form of discipline to create barriers between good and bad behavior,and us humans are no exception. ive got four kiddies of my own ,all of which are well mannered,well behaved and best of all theyre happy. i was firm with them and found that after the age of say..four or five it was very rare to need to smack or physicaly intervene,as they always knew what was or was not acceptable.
as you can imagine im totally pissed off at that ultra lefty bleeding heart
liberal slag for putting that bill forward,and a so-called labour government for not insisting on binding public referendum in such serious matters.
phew!! lol