What d'ya think? ... RED REP debate

**MSTRS:Me** · 8th May 2007, 11:12

Originally Posted by Joni

No can do, there is a reason for that rule... else this site will be filled with grunters who have nothing of value to say...

eg.
Woohoo
Repost
Agreed
etc...

Damn Im grumpy today eh?

**mstriumph** · 8th May 2007, 11:13

Originally Posted by WRT

LOL - I didn't vote cause I couldn't find the "build a bridge" option . . .

it's not so simple....... it isn't ABOUT you, or anyone else that doesn't care about rep themselves .......

........... it's about trying to think of ways to deal with some of the severe bullying that red rep seems to be being used for on here ......... bullying that would prolly upset any fair person if they saw it happening in open forum

bullying that now never comes to light unless the victim reports it because the rep system is quick and private

if you've got any ideas on how bullies like that can be stopped, then THAT would be useful?

**ManDownUnder** · 8th May 2007, 11:14

As I see it the aims are twofold:
1) Enable people to express their disagreement and have it reflected in the rep system (otherwise it simply reduces the reputation system to an indicator of tenure... doesn't it?)
2) Avoid abuse, harrassment and bullying as much as the red rep system allows.

Removing it from the hands of those that demostrate their inability to use it wisely seems a sensible answer. Senior Mods would be the ones to make that call ... and the rest takes care of itself.

No?

**ManDownUnder** · 8th May 2007, 11:15

Originally Posted by mstriumph

if you've got any ideas on how bullies like that can be stopped, then THAT would be useful?

I think the existing system works personally (doesn't it). Misbehave (enough) and you get infracted the hell offline. If someone chooses to escalate it to the real world it becomes a civil or criminal matter and the Police step in.

**Joni** · 8th May 2007, 11:17

Originally Posted by mstriumph

on that basis, i think mentioning other sites is valid?

Yes it is and fair enough...

However what concerns me on KB, is all the complaining and "should we do this" and "why are we doing that" threads... at the end of the day the decisions wont be made by the users of KB...

Yes the Senior Mods will take what people think into consideration, but we will decide what we think is best for the site at the end of the day.

These threads become a big bitch session, and scratches at issues where maybe scratching is not needed at that exact moment.

However, it takes all types, some people want to debate and make their point very loudly known... Fair enough... go for it, however a quiet suggestion via pm might be just as effective and not as disruptive.

At the end of the day, stomp your foot, do your dance... the decisions will still be made with the majority in mind, not the loud minority.

**Grahameeboy** · 8th May 2007, 11:18

Originally Posted by skelstar

Unfortunately you have to allow for the lowest common denominator, and sometimes thats fairly low on this site.

Yeah, why let them change what is a great site........keep it as it is cause 99% of the guys on the site are 'alright geezer'.

Pity I cannot by a sandwich maker with my points....do you think I could use them to buy out my 'infractions'?

**Grahameeboy** · 8th May 2007, 11:20

Originally Posted by Joni

Yes it is and fair enough...

However what concerns me on KB, is all the complaining and "should we do this" and "why are we doing that" threads... at the end of the day the decisions wont be made by the users of KB...

Yes the Senior Mods will take what people think into consideration, but we will decide what we think is best for the site at the end of the day.

These threads become a big bitch session, and scratches at issues where maybe scratching is not needed at that exact moment.

However, it takes all types, some people want to debate and make their point very loudly known... Fair enough... go for it, however a quiet suggestion via pm might be just as effective and not as disruptive.

At the end of the day, stomp you foot, do your dance... the decisions will still be made with the majority in mind, not the loud minority.

And this kind of sense is why we should let MOD's decide....

**Toaster** · 8th May 2007, 11:25

Originally Posted by skelstar

If I don't agree with something I'll post an argument to their point...not abuse through an impersonal mechanism like the rep system.

I agree mate - it is better to discuss things - that is what forums are for. I think the red rep system has its place when used properly.

**mstriumph** · 8th May 2007, 11:49

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

And this kind of sense is why we should let MOD's decide....

shouldn't that post have rather been in brown ???

face it fella, NOTHING short of a miracle is gonna make you infraction-proof!

**Grahameeboy** · 8th May 2007, 11:53

Originally Posted by mstriumph

shouldn't that post have rather been in brown ???

face it fella, NOTHING short of a miracle is gonna make you infraction-proof!

No green...you should know that I do not lick gals bums.........

I have had 4 infractions

2 x Wrong Forum....guess I should realise all my threads are PD starters eh?
1 x Taking off Topic (By Jim2 on his own bloody thread..cheeky bugger)
1 x opening up a 2005 thread to see what happened.

Boo hoo.....I still have not got over it....

**Toaster** · 8th May 2007, 12:19

....... and you red repped me just now because "you are colour blind"????????

Dude what are you smoking today?

**Brian d marge** · 8th May 2007, 12:21

Its wonderfully liberating!!

with total red , you can;

post in incorrect forums

make an arse of you self

post utter crap !

my latest plan is to do random posts by . like a drive by ... but containing no thought whatsoever !!

can the whole system and if you agree or disagree with the posts . say so !!!

Grunters may find this difficult , but there is help available .

Stephen

**Joni** · 8th May 2007, 12:21

Originally Posted by Toaster

Dude what are you smoking today?

The good stuff obviously... seems the doobey is being pased to a few members of KB today

**Grahameeboy** · 8th May 2007, 12:22

Originally Posted by Toaster

....... and you red repped me just now because "you are colour blind"????????

Dude what are you smoking today?

I am smoking Trollups mate................

**carver** · 8th May 2007, 13:01

Originally Posted by mstriumph

can't help noticing that the rep system - red rep in particular - causes a large amount of upset on here...

who has done it to whom and how many times etc

I'm not suggesting rep be canned entirely - it's prolly too late for that and, anyway, green rep's a good way for peop's to comment directly on each other's posts ...

BUT - would it be a good idea to get rid of RED rep?
if so, entirely? or mebbe limit the amount? or just abolish people's ability to make inflamitory/threatening comments with it?

C'mon people ----- let's have some of your thoughts on the subject? Fixing the red rep thingy may go a long way towards fixing some of the bickering going on around here [not saying the mods will take any notice of this - but at least we can throw 'em some ideas ........... if we have any ...]

ps - if you don't wanna talk about it here, that's fine - but if you afterwards start bitching about rep i shall have to kill you ....................

as motu once said, who cares, its only a computer.