Sparkplug

**slowpoke** · 9th May 2007, 08:25

Sounds like you've done really well....nice Kitti!!

I have to admit I know sweet FA about Ginnies but the only thing that springs to mind re your "egg" would be some sort of oil/air separator (allows the crankcase to breath with out pumping oily air into the airbox/atmosphere) and they often look very gunked up even though they are still functioning OK.

From the number of Ginnie-philes on here I'm sure someone will point you in the right direction.

**NotaGoth** · 9th May 2007, 08:34

Originally Posted by slowpoke

Sounds like you've done really well....nice Kitti!!

I have to admit I know sweet FA about Ginnies but the only thing that springs to mind re your "egg" would be some sort of oil/air separator (allows the crankcase to breath with out pumping oily air into the airbox/atmosphere) and they often look very gunked up even though they are still functioning OK.

From the number of Ginnie-philes on here I'm sure someone will point you in the right direction.

AHHHH!!!!!!!! NOT A GN!!!!!!

Was on the right track with what I was doing, just had to put it all back together again... And the new sparkplug I only put it in how the one I took out was in.. So it wasn't tight enough... That was soon explained to me when Rusty checked it.. But the extra help was appreciated and I was shown a few more things during that process.....

The help here is appreciated also.. When I can learn to explain things properly I'll start getting somewhere.. Meanwhile I think I might invest in my own cheap digital camera til I learn a bit more and explain things a bit better...

**NotaGoth** · 9th May 2007, 10:25

Ok well it started fine yesterday afternoon.. Now it won't start this morning... Any reason why a bike won't start if its cold?? (tried with the choke she just coughs)

EDIT: Fuel is on, fuel tank is full... Checked the killswitch (Rusty got caught out by that yesterday)

**NotaGoth** · 9th May 2007, 11:20

Ok opened it up again.. took the plastic top piece off the spark plug, put it back on..

Pulled the tank right off, turned the fuel switch to make sure fuel was actually flowing through properly and that it wasn't blocked..

The pipe that attaches to that I blew through really really hard, ended up with a bit of fuel spat back at me the first time, 2nd time none.. attached it again, kicked bike and it started right away..

Fuel blockage?

EDIT: *is at a loss*

**NotaGoth** · 9th May 2007, 11:54

Oh.. And also...

I'm that fucking thick, when I was asked if my old spark plug was black.. I looked at the tip that the rubber goes over and said no.....

Its black and mucky all over the end where it screws into place...

**xwhatsit** · 9th May 2007, 12:11

Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX

Oh.. And also...

I'm that fucking thick, when I was asked if my old spark plug was black.. I looked at the tip that the rubber goes over and said no.....

Its black and mucky all over the end where it screws into place...

Sticky oily mucky? Or hard carbony mucky? If it is carbony mucky then it means you were running a bit rich, which is OK, but cleaning the air filter would have improved that. Don't worry about it.

Oily mucky means there was oil fouling the plug, possibly leading to starting problems. This could've been the whole cause of the starting problems, but replacing the plug on a two-stroke is never a bad thing. Possibly kicking it over and over again with the engine actually starting would've fouled the plug as well.

**NotaGoth** · 9th May 2007, 12:53

Originally Posted by xerxesdaphat

Sticky oily mucky? Or hard carbony mucky? If it is carbony mucky then it means you were running a bit rich, which is OK, but cleaning the air filter would have improved that. Don't worry about it.

Oily mucky means there was oil fouling the plug, possibly leading to starting problems. This could've been the whole cause of the starting problems, but replacing the plug on a two-stroke is never a bad thing. Possibly kicking it over and over again with the engine actually starting would've fouled the plug as well.

Ummm...Its like grease, not oily as but not hard either.. Will show my mum when she gets home she'll know what shes looking at *doesn't*

Noticed it hasn't been running right for a while there (since we fixed the wire) and then it just started to not run right, and eventually didn't want to start...

Took it for a ride just before and it seems to be running fine now.. Doesn't seem like its being starved of something

EDIT: Like the greasey stuff you find in the chain of a push bike, and its started to go hardish

**Wasp** · 9th May 2007, 12:55

IX = Iridium plugs

All info is on the NGK website

in my case - CR8E is normal CR8EIX is the iridium one

**xwhatsit** · 9th May 2007, 13:35

Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX

Ummm...Its like grease, not oily as but not hard either.. Will show my mum when she gets home she'll know what shes looking at *doesn't*

Noticed it hasn't been running right for a while there (since we fixed the wire) and then it just started to not run right, and eventually didn't want to start...

Took it for a ride just before and it seems to be running fine now.. Doesn't seem like its being starved of something

EDIT: Like the greasey stuff you find in the chain of a push bike, and its started to go hardish

That'll be a fouled plug, but the oil -- I dunno, oil seems to change state, like when it leaks out of my gearchange shaft, it goes more sticky and greasy. Probably because it's been cooked. At a guess it's probably from all that effort trying to start your bike. It can happen when you flood the engine, and without the combustion taking place it won't blow the crap off the plug. After a normal ride with the new plug, pop it out and take a look. If it's fouled again, maybe you have problems with over-oiling or something but I'd think that the plug would look clean and normal.

**2much** · 9th May 2007, 15:53

Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX

AHHHH!!!!!!!! NOT A GN!!!!!!

Sorry that's my fault as i mantioned it earlier... for some reason i thought u had a GN.

Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX

Ok opened it up again.. took the plastic top piece off the spark plug, put it back on..

Pulled the tank right off, turned the fuel switch to make sure fuel was actually flowing through properly and that it wasn't blocked..

The pipe that attaches to that I blew through really really hard, ended up with a bit of fuel spat back at me the first time, 2nd time none.. attached it again, kicked bike and it started right away..

Fuel blockage?

EDIT: *is at a loss*

Quite possibly, if it's a fuel hose then the hose will usually have that written on it. And if that is the case then that egg-like thing you were describing before may well be the fuel filter, in which case you might want to replace it.

Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX

Oh.. And also...

I'm that fucking thick, when I was asked if my old spark plug was black.. I looked at the tip that the rubber goes over and said no.....

Its black and mucky all over the end where it screws into place...

thanks for that!

Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX

Ummm...Its like grease, not oily as but not hard either.. Will show my mum when she gets home she'll know what shes looking at *doesn't*

Noticed it hasn't been running right for a while there (since we fixed the wire) and then it just started to not run right, and eventually didn't want to start...

Took it for a ride just before and it seems to be running fine now.. Doesn't seem like its being starved of something

EDIT: Like the greasey stuff you find in the chain of a push bike, and its started to go hardish

Probably from you trying to start it. is it the new plug, a hotter plug should help that. also have you given the bike a decent thrash lately? 2stokes need a bit of a caning regularly to keep them at their best.

**NotaGoth** · 9th May 2007, 19:50

Originally Posted by xerxesdaphat

That'll be a fouled plug, but the oil -- I dunno, oil seems to change state, like when it leaks out of my gearchange shaft, it goes more sticky and greasy. Probably because it's been cooked. At a guess it's probably from all that effort trying to start your bike. It can happen when you flood the engine, and without the combustion taking place it won't blow the crap off the plug. After a normal ride with the new plug, pop it out and take a look. If it's fouled again, maybe you have problems with over-oiling or something but I'd think that the plug would look clean and normal.

Just a question.. How does it manage to over oil if it mixes itself? I fill the thingo under the seat and don't know what it does from there on.. lol

I took it for a short ride didn't want to venture to far incase my bike started to play up again... Ran fine.. Left it all afternoon to cool right down and I've started it with no problems at all..

Will take it for a proper ride on my next day off and then check the plug again though..

**NotaGoth** · 9th May 2007, 19:55

Originally Posted by 2much

Sorry that's my fault as i mantioned it earlier... for some reason i thought u had a GN.

Quite possibly, if it's a fuel hose then the hose will usually have that written on it. And if that is the case then that egg-like thing you were describing before may well be the fuel filter, in which case you might want to replace it.

thanks for that!

Probably from you trying to start it. is it the new plug, a hotter plug should help that. also have you given the bike a decent thrash lately? 2stokes need a bit of a caning regularly to keep them at their best.

I looked at a GN but I'm to small for one they are horrible and so uncomfortable.. Didn't end up getting one.. The RG is absolutely perfect though..

I'll find out what it is cause we can't find a fuel filter yet... Someone said its prolly in where the fuel tap screws into the tank?? (sorry bimbo time again, but I did look and couldn't see anything obvious)

No the black sparkplug is that old one that was in there, and when it was in there the bike wouldn't start.. I've put the new one in, it didn't want to start this morning.. But after blowing into the fuel line its now running and starting fine.. Even idles without cutting out on me..

Thrash..? Nooooooo... I don't thrash it.. So new to riding... Might hand it over to someone I trust to take it for a real ride though..

**xwhatsit** · 9th May 2007, 21:57

Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX

Just a question.. How does it manage to over oil if it mixes itself? I fill the thingo under the seat and don't know what it does from there on.. lol

I took it for a short ride didn't want to venture to far incase my bike started to play up again... Ran fine.. Left it all afternoon to cool right down and I've started it with no problems at all..

Will take it for a proper ride on my next day off and then check the plug again though..

I believe some two-strokes have an adjustment on the automatic oiler. I doubt there's any problem with it, best to not worry about it; fouling a plug while trying to start your bike is common (I've done it on my four-stroke, which is far less prone to fouling). Listen to what 2much says -- it's a two-stroke, it needs caning every so often to blow some of the shit out of the exhaust and engine. It's good for it

Take it out on a straight bit of road and give it a good wind up. Even my four stroke enjoys that from time to time.