Bain gets a retrial

**Swoop** · 11th May 2007, 17:03

Originally Posted by zrxer

Look Swoop he's guiltyer than a guilty thing on guilty steroids

I will agree with that statement. The fashion police were on his tail all the way from the wool shop!

**peasea** · 11th May 2007, 17:15

[QUOTE=Hitcher;1050223]Or if he killed them at all? QUOTE]

Don't know if he killed 'em all but I reckon he had justification for killing his mother. Seen those jumpers she knitted him????

**Patrick** · 11th May 2007, 17:36

Some of the comments here are right out there...

"The house was burned down/to get rid of evidence..." The ESR and Police had taken all they needed and were no longer guarding it as a scene. The public wanted the house gone to rid themselves of the memory of what occurred. It was burnt by the fire brigade in a controlled burnoff instead of some dipshit causing uncontrolled arson instead.

"Innocent until proven guilty." Inline??? - Ummm.... he was proven guilty...

"ALL the facts to come out?" Hopefully... there was evidence the Police were not allowed to use as well.....

"Conviction quashed? Retrial ordered," but interestingly enough, the Privy Council also stated that he should be held in custody still, until the decision about a retrial is reached... not the usual for an "innocent?" The council obviously feels there is something seriously amiss with this lad and his "innocence," not to release him. A technicality they may have found, perhaps, but it does not mean he did not do it...

My guess?

A retrial, costing many $$$, the lawyers laughing all the way to the bank... the conviction entered a 2nd time and the appeals process going all the way to the supreme court... this time...

"He has been hard done by" is my all time fav.... not as hard done by as the killed family, me thinks.....

**Mom** · 11th May 2007, 17:40

I am pleased for David Bain that he has the opportunity to re-assert his innocence. Whether or not the crown decide to retry the case he has made his point. Personally I have no strong opinion on whether he did it or not (unlike Authur Allen-Thomas or Peter Ellis) I guess finding an unbiased jury to try him again will be almost impossible in NZ, but the way it has been left there is someone "out there" that did it, the crown think David is the prime suspect, his lawyers have asked for bail, let him out and have another crack at convicting him...........*shakes head* we live in a weird society, whichever way it is going to cost us money..........

**MSTRS:Me** · 11th May 2007, 17:42

Stop it Patrick - you're ruining a perfectly good weenie roast....
Yes, the privy council did say to hold him in the interim...interesting - case of possession is 9/10ths etc??

**Indiana_Jones** · 11th May 2007, 17:51

Let him out, he'll fly to Brazil lol

-Indy

**Patrick** · 11th May 2007, 17:53

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Stop it Patrick - you're ruining a perfectly good weenie roast....
Yes, the privy council did say to hold him in the interim...interesting - case of possession is 9/10ths etc??

Had to chuck some balance into the unbalanced bits...

**MSTRS:Me** · 11th May 2007, 18:00

Originally Posted by Patrick

Had to chuck some balance into the unbalanced bits...

Then get your thumb off the scales of justice. We can all make up our minds that David is innocent without (further) input from the filth...

**Grahameeboy** · 11th May 2007, 18:16

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Your earlier post made it seem like you had never heard of the case.
Good on you for finding out more about it.
Yes, we met on the 250 ride in Aucks around New year and also at the Busa Petes' party.....I was the one without the plaster casts!

I hadn't heard of it when I posted...read work paper later.

So which one had the beard then?

**Stroker Girl** · 11th May 2007, 18:21

[QUOTE=peasea;1051644]

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Or if he killed them at all? QUOTE]

Don't know if he killed 'em all but I reckon he had justification for killing his mother. Seen those jumpers she knitted him????

LOL, those jumpers were scary even for the mid 90's! However we can probably place the blame of those hideous jumpers at the foot of the police. I remember reading somewhere that the police actually confiscated all his clothes when they arrested him and instead gave him some clothes from the Salvation Army! Apparently the same thing happened to Peter Ellis. It must be the notion, that guilty people wear bad woolen items (Arthur Allan Thomas as an example!).

**jonbuoy** · 11th May 2007, 18:23

God I hope he was guilty - I doubt he's had an easy life inside.

**Swoop** · 11th May 2007, 20:02

I am feeling more concerned for those who have been harmed the most from all of this trial.
The jury members.

Given bullshit, lies and half-truths from the police and the prosecution, then left to come to a decision.

They must feel like shit once the judge lets the hammer fall and then the other parts of the evidence get known.

NZ HAS to keep the Privy Council. NZ justice system is a fucking joke.

Originally Posted by Patrick

"Innocent until proven guilty." Inline??? - Ummm.... he was proven guilty...

Incorrect. He is now an UNCONVICTED person.

Originally Posted by Patrick

"ALL the facts to come out?" Hopefully... there was evidence the Police were not allowed to use as well.....

OK Sherlock. If the nz police farce had evidence that PROVED he killed the family beyond ANY doubt, why did the plod NOT present this evidence at some stage of the judicial process(even during the appeals)?
Or would they have to go away and fabricate some?

**Timber020** · 11th May 2007, 20:16

I was told by someone who was on the scene in the first hours of the investigation who also interviewed Bain later that the crime scene management was simply non existant. there was no control of who went in and what they did once inside.

Bain has been very careful not to dispute his case to strongly while in prison, by being labeled a spree killer he has a certain cred with the other inmates. If he protested his innocence to all while inside he would be easy meat.

**candor** · 11th May 2007, 20:30

Once I was visiting an inmate. When he asked how someone (who was depressed) was my reply was "well you just have to take a look at the house - honestly the state of it, it's like, well almost as bad as the Bain house... so messy like when were dishes last done, a house of despair is what I call it".

The inmate began gesturing indicating something behind me but I ignored it and continued. Then he whispered "its him, just there".

Oops, Bain was sitting just a few metres from us. Did I feel embarrassed....
though he made no response I could see.

**Patrick** · 12th May 2007, 22:47

Originally Posted by Swoop

Incorrect. He is now an UNCONVICTED person.

He is now...he was convicted... and upheld, and upheld again... then went to Privvy Council...

OK Sherlock. If the nz police farce had evidence that PROVED he killed the family beyond ANY doubt, why did the plod NOT present this evidence at some stage of the judicial process(even during the appeals)?
Or would they have to go away and fabricate some?

You have no idea how it all works do you???? Ever heard of Trials within a trial?