As I said earlier, "There's NO evidence that they are, in fact, dead".
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As I said earlier, "There's NO evidence that they are, in fact, dead".
"Statistics are used as a drunk uses lampposts - for support, not illumination."
Highway Biker
Nothing I have found apart from the jury verdict that links Scott in any way to the disappearance.Originally Posted by Daffyd
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I remember when this happened and later on there was a letter to the editor in the Nelson Mail from some concened citizens from Marahau stating that they had all contacted the Police saying that they saw the mystery ketch moored at Marahau a few days after new years. There concerns were that the police didn't get back to any of them for any further questioning.
I mentioned vegetables once, but I think I got away with it...........
Anorak
Other than DNA of course............
Also the 176 separate scratch marks have were found on the underside of Scotts boat’s hatch cover that a forensic scientist testified were fingernail scratches, that's a massive co-incidence.
It was just I guess a massive co-incidentally Scott on the day after the disappearance decided to suddenly and uncharacteristically become a very clean and tidy person Ie that same day to go and get some paint, then he just happened to repaint his boat.
Also co-incidentally going as far to ask his sister for help to thoroughly clean the boat (even down to his tape cases.)
So it was not at all odd that there was no fingerprints at all, found on the boat (even in places police would normally expect to find them.)
Or then there is Watson’s clothing, Just because the clothing, that the police and everyone else present at the lodge on New years eve, says he wore ,went mysteriously missing, that's not odd at all. Well, that's is just a bit of plain bad luck.
Just as just because out of the 1,612 people interviewed also present in the Marlborough Sounds on that same New Year’s Eve, Its only Scott Watson’s movements are not accounted for over the critical period that the pair went missing.
Its also just plain bad luck and an amazing co-incidence that just before the murder, Scott talked to three people about killing people, especially women.
Its odd that Scotts account of his movements on New Year's Day, 1998 Are totally at odds with the evidence provided by multiple separate witnesses.
All up, he must be just one unlucky bugger, for a dude that's innocent.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Highway Biker
[QUOTE=husaberg;1130958808]Other than DNA of course............
Also the 176 separate scratch marks have were found on the underside of Scotts boat’s hatch cover that a forensic scientist testified were fingernail scratches, that's a massive co-incidence.
It was just I guess a massive co-incidentally Scott on the day after the disappearance decided to suddenly and uncharacteristically become a very clean and tidy person Ie that same day to go and get some paint, then he just happened to repaint his boat.
Also co-incidentally going as far to ask his sister for help to thoroughly clean the boat (even down to his tape cases.)
So it was not at all odd that there was no fingerprints at all, found on the boat (even in places police would normally expect to find them.)
Or then there is Watson’s clothing, Just because the clothing, that the police and everyone else present at the lodge on New years eve, says he wore ,went mysteriously missing, that's not odd at all. Well, that's is just a bit of plain bad luck.
Just as just because out of the 1,612 people interviewed also present in the Marlborough Sounds on that same New Year’s Eve, Its only Scott Watson’s movements are not accounted for over the critical period that the pair went missing.
Its also just plain bad luck and an amazing co-incidence that just before the murder, Scott talked to three people about killing people, especially women.
Its odd that Scotts account of his movements on New Year's Day, 1998 Are totally at odds with the evidence provided by multiple separate witnesses.
All up, he must be just one unlucky bugger, for a dude that's innocent.
Thank you for your well informed input.
If you had indeed followed the case and subsequent information you would have been aware of other facts and information that you are obviously unaware of in your above post.
The DNA from 2 hairs has been dismissed as evidence as they were cross contaminated in the lab.
The scratches on the hatch went to the edges of the hatch which could not have occurred if the hatch was closed . Add to that NO yacht locks the hatch from the outside. His clothes were accounted for so I dont know what information you are relying on there .
Blade was cleaned prior to NYE due to the storm encountered by Scott and his sister on their return trip from the North Island.
The mystery man has never been found nor the ketch that 52 people described . Add to that number the witnesses that contacted the police and told we arnt looking for a ketch and no statements were taken
Pope made sure the ketch disappeared off the radar
Anorak
[QUOTE=gsxr;1130958911]FactsOther than DNA of course............
Also the 176 separate scratch marks have were found on the underside of Scotts boat’s hatch cover that a forensic scientist testified were fingernail scratches, that's a massive co-incidence.
It was just I guess a massive co-incidentally Scott on the day after the disappearance decided to suddenly and uncharacteristically become a very clean and tidy person Ie that same day to go and get some paint, then he just happened to repaint his boat.
Also co-incidentally going as far to ask his sister for help to thoroughly clean the boat (even down to his tape cases.)
So it was not at all odd that there was no fingerprints at all, found on the boat (even in places police would normally expect to find them.)
Or then there is Watson’s clothing, Just because the clothing, that the police and everyone else present at the lodge on New years eve, says he wore ,went mysteriously missing, that's not odd at all. Well, that's is just a bit of plain bad luck.
Just as just because out of the 1,612 people interviewed also present in the Marlborough Sounds on that same New Year’s Eve, Its only Scott Watson’s movements are not accounted for over the critical period that the pair went missing.
Its also just plain bad luck and an amazing co-incidence that just before the murder, Scott talked to three people about killing people, especially women.
Its odd that Scotts account of his movements on New Year's Day, 1998 Are totally at odds with the evidence provided by multiple separate witnesses.
All up, he must be just one unlucky bugger, for a dude that's innocent.
Thank you for your well informed input.
If you had indeed followed the case and subsequent information you would have been aware of other facts and information that you are obviously unaware of in your above post.
The DNA from 2 hairs has been dismissed as evidence as they were cross contaminated in the lab.
The scratches on the hatch went to the edges of the hatch which could not have occurred if the hatch was closed . Add to that NO yacht locks the hatch from the outside. His clothes were accounted for so I dont know what information you are relying on there .
Blade was cleaned prior to NYE due to the storm encountered by Scott and his sister on their return trip from the North Island.
The mystery man has never been found nor the ketch that 52 people described . Add to that number the witnesses that contacted the police and told we arnt looking for a ketch and no statements were taken
Pope made sure the ketch disappeared off the radar
you meant the facts the privy council the court of appeals and the governor general on advice from a QC all considered when they turned down appeals from the defence?
I am Pretty sure they all know a bit more than you or I do.
Note the scratches were (according to the defence) first made by a screwdriver then later when they were proven by an expert witness from the ESR to be of human orgin they were then attempted to be explained away as having come from Scott's nieces.
Note the hatch can be both either locked or lashed down it is just not designed to be.
As for the scratches in the inaccessible location the ESR expert never said these were made by a human.
If the blade was indeed scrubbed clean right down to cassette cases being wiped clean prior to NYE by Scott and his sister. Please point me to his sisters testimony about this, surely she would have testified to this? After all Scott is her family she would have testified to this key piece of evidence.
As for the evidence being tainted or planted this was never proven as you incorrectly suggested it was. What the defence said must have happened that is what defences do try and create doubt
On New Year's Day Watson sailed the Blade to Erie Bay in Queen Charlotte Sound, where he stayed with an acquaintance and his two children. The man, told the court Watson arrived some time after 5pm. It was here he acquired the paint. The timing of this was confirmed by the children. Watson at trail claimed he had arrived there prior to 10am in the morning.
Throwing in the mystery Ketch as if its a fact is what is called a diversion tactic. As is insinuating the police fabricated or perverting evidence
At the trial while under oath, Wallace told prosecutor Paul Davison QC he was "pretty definite" that the man in the montage was the same person he had served at the bar at Furneaux Lodge and had later dropped off at a yacht.
It was not until 4 years he changed his mind.
I note you don't deny Scott had stated that he would like to kill someone preferably a woman in the days leading up to the murders, or his 48 previous convictions.
I fact he was even involved in a physical altercation at the part that night with a 17 year old male.
This began by Watson telling the 17 year old his sister, who had cancer, was going to die.
He later assaulted a blond woman out by the garden bar. A witness told police of seeing the woman crying, saying "Why did you hit me?" as Watson walked away.
Infact whitness testimony showed he had propositioned over 20 separate females that night, Oddly nearly all of them blonde.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
L-Plate Rider
Inquiry doc # 20066, 14th January, Erie Bay Caretaker
I was doing bits and pieces around the house. I looked up and saw that Scott had arrived in his yacht. He had it anchored in the bay. I didn`t see it sail in. He came out of the blue, I can`t even tell you what time he came in. I would put the time about between 10 am and midday.
Inquiry doc # 20064, 14th January, Erie Bay Caretakers daughter
I think that around 1 pm on New Years Day we looked out of the kitchen window and saw that Scott had sailed into the bay.
Inquiry doc # 20082, 14th January, Erie Bay Caretakers son
Scott came this year around New Years Day. I think it was lunch time
200 - 250 cannabis plants found, Erie Bay Caretaker charged.
Inquiry doc # 20392, 23rd January, Erie Bay Caretaker
I would now put that time at around 3 pm
Inquiry doc # 10373, 23rd January, Erie Bay Caretakers daughter
We had a barbecue lunch at about 12`ish. About half an hour after lunch we were all sitting at the table when we saw Scott coming in.
Inquiry doc # 20999, 10th March, Erie Bay Caretaker
I think that time was about 3 pm.
Inquiry doc # 20998, 10th March, Erie Bay Caretakers daughter
The only change I would make is the time Scott arrived on New Years Day. We were inside watching the horse racing on TV. Scott arrived after the Auckland Cup. I don`t know what time that was.
Inquiry doc # 30948, 18th March, Erie Bay Caretaker
I remember now the time that Watson arrived at Erie Bay. It was after 5 pm I think.
L-Plate Rider
Crown case was that Watson dumped the bodies 5 nm out from Tory Channel entrance in Cook Strait at 4:26 pm.
Then motored to Erie Bay at 40 kph with a 20 hp 2 cylinder Yanmar diesel engine.
PM to me years ago from the owner of the yacht that was seen out in Cook Strait by the father & son witnesses on ferry.
Max,
In a post in 2008 at cruisersforum (yes, that long ago, I only just saw it) I notice you mention Dau Soko crossed the Cook Straits on 1/1/98.
"In fact there was only one yacht that crossed Cook Straight on this day, a yacht named Dau Soko, it arrived at Tory entrance approx 5pm but Police changed this to 2pm."
I was the owner of Dau Soko then, and indeed was interviewed by the police on my return to Wellington. We crossed with 5 people on board, and indeed we were at Tory Heads around 5 pm. The Aratika (I think) passed us to the north on her way out. I had also called on the radio to tell her to come out, as I had misjudged the time for us to enter the straights. The police took a statement, which I signed.
At that time Dau Solo was painted white, with a blue stripe down the side, with ports in the blue stripe. Dau Soko is a cutter, not a ketch, but the picture is uncanny.
I communicated all of this to Keith Hunter, when he was exploring the subject. It is interesting that no description of Dau Soko was provided, because to do so would have:
1. supported the defense that Blade was not there (we were asked if we had seen Blade, but as this was April, I answered "Yes, all over the newspapers, but I cannot remember seeing her then, we were all tired, and it was almost 4 months ago."
2. Undermined the identification of the "mystery yacht" and therefore undermined the defense. Dau Soko looked, other than the number of masts, just like the "mystery yacht".
Do I believe Scott Watson did this. Personally no. But that actually is quite irrelevant, and always has been. I do believe that the failure to identify and mention the location of Dau Soko on 1/1/98 was an error. But then, I cannot prove that either. If anything, it would have been in the prosecutions interests to produce a photo of Dau Soko to undermine the "mystery yacht" theory.
The entire situation was terrible. Yet, Dau Soko's crossing and time of arrivals supports and undermines all sides of the argument.
I wish I had known more at the time, such as the '2pm' / '5pm' error. In that case, possibly the Wakakura would not have been looking for human remains pushed overboard (actually my daughter and a friend asleep on the foredeck - but indistinguishable from bodies at that time of day).
So, you were right that Dau Soko was the only yacht there at that time, but I'm not certain that the fact really helps either side in this case.
Kind regards,
Dan
Anorak
The Sunday Star-Times, in an effort to clear up the timing issue, tried to contact the caretaker and found he died in a car crash in March 2003. The coroner was told that he had excess blood alcohol and the car was mechanically sound. His daughter, 14 at the time of the trial and now a teacher in Japan, told the Star-Times that it was she and her brother who had persuaded their father he had made a mistake about the timing. They were present that day, and based on their recollection of certain horse races televised that afternoon, they convinced their father his 10am estimate must have been wrong. "He had a terrible short-term memory," she explained. He had a candid relationship with his children they knew he used dope and never mentioned any "deal" with the police.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
L-Plate Rider
I have read the new book Elementary. I regard it as very far fetched.
Book claims to have identified the mystery ketch as scow Alliance. A local well known boat. A witness the author holds in high regard (local charter boat operator) sees Watson painting his yacht at Waikawa Bay on Jan 1st. The author leaves out the part of this witnesses statement where he identifies seeing a boat he knows well, Alliance and another boat (mystery ketch) that is not a local boat. Author also leaves out his the sighting of this mystery ketch on Jan 2nd 10:30 am 5 kilometres away from where Alliance was known to have been at the time.
Author utilises statements of who he wants us to believe is Watson. These range from him being obese to having a wiry build. Unshaved with stubble even though the 31 st December 9:30 pm photo of Watson shows him clean shaved. One description of Watson even has him with grey curly hair.
The climax is (case solved) a yacht that might be Watsons, but described as up to 40 feet long at Shakespeare Bay. 2 items that were probably sails in sail bags but might be bodies, transported to shore 11:30 am in a dinghy by a maori fella and an older guy with grey hair.
At end of book is mention by an ex Op Tam cop of a confession of the murders from Watson to Erie Bay caretaker, with web link to the confession.
Why would an ex Op Tam cop keep this secret for 18 years? It would have been very useful at the Trial, the 2003 Appeal Court and Kristy McDonald`s 2011 report.
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
Yup. Sadly there was insufficient input from the nautical community, who know how to identify different vessels.
The mid-strait sighting which was dismissed is another example of where you would believe a yachtie over a donut-muncher.
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Old cruiser.com forum comments
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...tch-13976.html
Post # 5 is interesting
Una Storia Italiana
and Scotts father did the same trip in the same boat after and proved it was in fact impossable to travel that distance in that time, there is no way the blade could have been out that far and back in the bay by the times given.
the scratchs on the hatch were from the neices and it was insulation, pollystyrene... not hard to damage by young girls
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
Anorak
There was only one siting of the blade in Tory channel and only an approximate time was given.
I note The hatch inner cover was actually foam rubber as documented by the ESR and by the courts and the defence.
All that is being raised here was considered and available to both the defence and the prosecution at the trial the appeals.
Yet always the result has been in favour of Watsons Guilt.
I would suggest anyone read the report conducted by Kirsty Mcdonald QC on behalf of the Governor General to consider Watsons appeal for clemency it covers pretty much everything.
http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct...17868183,d.dGY
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Highway Biker
And one would have to conclude the report is a complete whitewash to cover arses.
Then one has to question WHY ...........
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