Scott Watson links

[freedom-wedge]

Absolutely - but that simply means policemen are human and capable of mistakes. The pressures on the police to solve high profile cases is immense and officers can come to believe they have identified the offender. Human nature then resists suggestions that they might be mistaken, particularly if the suspect fits the theory of the case.

Having said that, the criminal investigation system isn't one man and his dog doing all of the work. Many officers are involved with this type of case and they have to generally agree on the strength of the evidence they have gathered. Ron Pope for example was simply the lead detective in the Watson presecution.

As well as the police, the Crown solicitor's office of lawyers is involved and they have to be equally convinced of the strength of the case.

So there is a whole cohort of people involved in weighing whether a suspect should be prosecuted, long before it gets to trial.

At trial the defendant has his lawyer and the chance to have his say. He doesn't have to give evidence but frankly you have to wonder why he doesn't in many of these cases. For example, David Bain. He blames his lawyer but if the guy was as innocent as driven snow, that was his chance to get up and say so. He didn't.

There are valid points here, the worry for me is that you have a body of people who are used to backing each other up for the sake of their own professional integrity, driven in most cases by a person who has extreme influence over an investigation, to get out of step with the common consensus of an investigation or to question findings can result in alienation for individual police persons or department of justice employees. Getting it wrong in public hurts the justice system, destroys our confidence in it, and that I’m afraid can and will result in perjury to protect their own, its only human nature. There are many decent police and justice workers but they may find themselves in difficult positions and have their loyalty tested where there is pressure to obtain a result that will show the system in a positive way or in the way its expected to result.

Pedro

[freedom-wedge]

I'm pretty sure BAIN/WATSON/THOMAS were white dude.

Yes youre right but I think you missed the sentiment. You needed to of understood the Hurricane case in America so its my mistake

[freedom-wedge]

i believe the NZ police have found the person and made the evidence fit to many times, ratehr than letting the evidence find the man,

saying that, i think Watson has more to cry about than Bain, i do not think Watson killed those 2, but i am not so convinced about Bain

I tend to agree on these points, the bain case does have some disturbing twists however I feel

[freedom-wedge]

what about the watch, a big part of the case against him was that he gave urban's watch to his son but when the skeleton was found it still had the watch on. tamaheri was a theif and had a earlier murder conviction but i dont think he did this one........Scott watson is another dodgy conviction didnt a off duty cop see the mystery boat whilst out fishing?? David Bane was found not guilty by a jury who heard all the evidence..The dunedin police need a major rocket up them for the series of fuckups they made on this case and if he is indeed guilty only have themselves to blame for him being free now

I wondered when the watch would be mentioned, what ever you think of Tamaheri, he was axed by the watch. It would of had the Jury convinced beyond a doubt that there was unlawfull connection apparant, and would of brought all the other evidence under consideration wether questionable or not to one conclusion. The seesaw of justice once its been ballanced one way, it takes somthing heavy to get it righted.

[freedom-wedge]

The way they got David Bain?

And the way he never got a second trial?

I,m concerned with how bain was convicted and how the investigation transpired, like many others, I am yet to be totally convinced bain didnt do it however, although much evidence points to the father. The trail has cost this country so much so far, I would be so disapointed if it were just to save face and preserve the integrity of an investigation. The fact he had to seek overseas council to decide if there had been an injustice which to some degree was upheld is a shame, it shows there are flaws to the appeal system. To whome do we turn now that avenue is closed, how do we achieve a hearing without possible bias ??.

[freedom-wedge]

Apologises for being late to the thread, and posted so much at once, I believe an injustice has occurred in the case of Watson verses the Crown, I believe also that he will not receive an impartial hearing into that fact due to certain currant circumstances. I believe in the individual members of the police of this country who have mana just as I believe in its armed forces who follow political will and make sacrifice for our cause. I fear political influence within all areas where it should not reside, a result one way or another should be free from pressure for it to be any which way. It was this way for Watson I feel. He was heavily outmatched and was facing much pressure to obtain a conviction for the good of our country and its reputation over seas regardless of his guilt or otherwise, the case in fact backs up this theory when all notes are digested, just to many questions left unanswered for it to of ended guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Pedro

[Raine Logan]

Apologises for being late to the thread, and posted so much at once, I believe an injustice has occurred in the case of Watson verses the Crown, I believe also that he will not receive an impartial hearing into that fact due to certain currant circumstances. I believe in the individual members of the police of this country who have mana just as I believe in its armed forces who follow political will and make sacrifice for our cause. I fear political influence within all areas where it should not reside, a result one way or another should be free from pressure for it to be any which way. It was this way for Watson I feel. He was heavily outmatched and was facing much pressure to obtain a conviction for the good of our country and its reputation over seas regardless of his guilt or otherwise, the case in fact backs up this theory when all notes are digested, just to many questions left unanswered for it to of ended guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Pedro

i fully agree with you.

i think keith hunter did a bloody good job in his book of exposing the case for the sham it was. he sent a copy to every MP in parliament when it was published and only two, tanczos and hide, had the gumption to do anything (not a lot though, as it turned out). that right there is a real worry.

you have to wonder why. the book is obviously a money making venture and i don't think anyone is denying that. but that doesn't discredit the content. it was a difficult read, imo, but that's understandable considering how complex the case actually is. hunter did eventually bring it all together and didn't blur his own opinion with real facts too much. it was easy enough to see when he did too if you made an effort to read it objectively so you could ignore the spin.

so what is up with our government members? do they not care? can the not read very well? or are they all too worried about their own butts to make a stand?

[Littleman]

Yes youre right but I think you missed the sentiment. You needed to of understood the Hurricane case in America so its my mistake

Gosh, how did I miss that one, it was obvious.

[freedom-wedge]

Gosh, how did I miss that one, it was obvious.

Just as obvious as the Watson case is an absolute travesty of justed to anyone who is not stone walled by the crowns argument ???

[scumdog]

Just as obvious as the Watson case is an absolute travesty of justed to anyone who is not stone walled by the crowns argument ???

Hmm, Watsons lawyer obviously not up to task then??

[freedom-wedge]

Hmm, Watsons lawyer obviously not up to task then??

Maybe so, or maybe the other side was just better prepared to obtain a conviction. You know what a hostile place a courtroom can be to a defendant I,m sure. In situations like that with so much at stake you have to have the best and maybe they were less than that.

[dangerous]

Hmm, Watsons lawyer obviously not up to task then??

Its a crock a shit SD and you know it
apart from the fact there are/were no bodys found (on the Carribean partying up?) read the facts in the www I posted, the Blade that was seen in the straight At a certain time suposedly dumping the bodys was then seen up the channel x hours later, Scotts Dad took the Blade from point A to poing B and theres no way in hell at full speed tide in favour that the boat could have been in both places... another flaw the water taxy guy droped the missing couple of at a boat that needed a ladder to bord, Watsons tub sits SFA above water line. Any one in Chch check it out its mored in Purau.

The boat that they were droped of to was seen then disapaired, I was told it was a knowen dealers boat from Oz... do the maths... all this and no bodys???
The scrath marks under the hatch suposedly done by Olivia trying to ecsape... well its pollystyreen and Scotts sister said her kids did that damage...

weather he did it or not fucked if I know but theres no way in hell the guy should be locked up.

[Skyryder]

Not a U-turn but it’s a change in direction for Watson at long last.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news...ectid=10666144

However, the detail of the report - obtained by this newspaper - is in striking contrast to the press release.
The report reveals that IPCA head Justice Lowell Goddard was actually sharply critical of aspects of the investigation, led by present Deputy Commissioner Rob Pope.

Reading between the lines I suspect that given the immanent retirement of Broad, political forces within the Police hierarchy are at work to prevent Pope from becoming top cop.

The Press release according to the Herald is in striking contrast to the report. There still appears to be a significant lobby within the Police who are still in denial mode of the injustice against Watson. Just watch the layers of Popes protection come crumbling down once he retires and those in denial mode retire with him. There will be some young bucks wanting to make a name for themselves, who have nothing to lose or fear who will go after the truth like zealots.

Skyryder

[Patrick]

...... although much evidence points to the father.....

You're joking, right? "Much eveidence pointing at him???" Like what????? Blame the dead guy. It worked.

.... You know what a hostile place a courtroom can be to a defendant......

Another crack up. Prosecution has to supply everything involving the case, whether it is going to be used in the hearing or not. From that, they can make up alibis, stories to suit, whatever... on the day in court.

The defendant doesn't have to supply a thing before any hearing, no intended defence, nothing...... Who does the system favour? Sure aint the prosecution.....

[pete376403]

No limit on how much the prosecution can/will spend to get a conviction. Often the defendant doesn't have the same financial resources, legal aid notwithstanding.