Scott Watson links

[98tls]

weather he did it or not fucked if I know but theres no way in hell the guy should be locked up.

Ever met him?i have and whether he did it or not i couldnt give a shit,best place for the piece of shite is locked up believe me,ive often chuckled at the posts in this thread from people that have never met the bloke,if they had ive no doubt they would agree,right or wrongly imprisoned is the best place for him,and the rest of NZ,hes a fuckup.

[scissorhands]

Ever met him?i have and whether he did it or not i couldnt give a shit,best place for the piece of shite is locked up believe me,ive often chuckled at the posts in this thread from people that have never met the bloke,if they had ive no doubt they would agree,right or wrongly imprisoned is the best place for him,and the rest of NZ,hes a fuckup.

' You may not like Scott Watson BUT the depths to which the Crown went to secure a conviction against him is an affront to those who meticulously obey the law. That police can with the active support of right thinking New Zealanders bend and break the law to obtain false evidence is in itself a crime. How can we expect the young to be law abiding when they see their parents applauding the police hierarchy Judiciary and Crown ride roughshod over the law is beyond me. Scott Watson was found Guilty by Detective Inspector Robert Pope on January 8 1998 who never wavered from that even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Why should the young obey the law that is not kept by its enforcers? '

[Skyryder]

' You may not like Scott Watson BUT the depths to which the Crown went to secure a conviction against him is an affront to those who meticulously obey the law. That police can with the active support of right thinking New Zealanders bend and break the law to obtain false evidence is in itself a crime. How can we expect the young to be law abiding when they see their parents applauding the police hierarchy Judiciary and Crown ride roughshod over the law is beyond me. Scott Watson was found Guilty by Detective Inspector Robert Pope on January 8 1998 who never wavered from that even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Why should the young obey the law that is not kept by its enforcers? '

One of the more intelligent posts on the subject.

Why should the young obey the law that is not kept by its enforcers? Or indeed anyone.

[maxlev]

Scott had 46 convictions, including one at age 16 for common assault, fined $240 and costs That was his only "violence offence" The rest were drug related (cannabis possession), unlawfuly taking cars, and a couple for burglary of which got him some jail time in 1989, in 1990 age 18 the judge got upset with him for repeated drug offending and sent him to prison again.

Strange as it may seem to some, but Scott did not use drugs again after his release from prison in 1990. He became much more settled, got work as and when he could and by age 20 he owned a half share in a small sailing sloop and this really got him interest in sailing. Three or four years later he built Blade in his parents backyard. He had little or no steel working experience so worked to learn marine welding and got 4711 certified (mandatory for Cat1)

Scott kept out of trouble until 1996, when he returned to Waikawa Bay to his boat and saw his dinghy on the back of a Ute leaving the marina. Scott took exception to this and demanded it be returned, but the couple in the Ute were having none of this and were determined they were taking his dinghy, Scott was determined to get it back so produced a pocket knife with a 75mm splicing spike and again demanded his dinghy back. The threat with the spike was enough and they gave back his dinghy, he was happy but they weren't and laid a complaint with police. Scott was charged with possesing an offensive weapon, namely a 75mm spike, he pleaded guilty just as he had always done in his days as a one man crime spree before he was 18. He was fined and the judge ordered the pocket knife be returned to him.

Scott worked full time on Blade, fully fitted out and launched approx August 1997. Scott was very much a loner, but he had one or two friends he met with on a sort of regular basis. He spent a lot of time sailing both before and after he built Blade and met women and had relationships with a number of women over the years. Police traced as many of these women as they could over the 18 months that they prepared their case against Scott. But the found it to be an exercise in futility as not one would say he had ever been even mildly violent to them or made kinky sexual demands. In fact police recruited his last girl friend to spy on him and ask him questions, they faxed her and she send back the answers. Scott knew she was doing this but didn't seem concerned too much.

But Scott did have a darker side and that involved drinking, as he became very obnoxious when drunk and was inclined to particularly bad language and vulgar talk which upset many people but again it never involved violence in acts but in words only. Scott was no angel but he was far from being the devil incarnate as portrayed by police and by implication and in a strange twist of logic police knew Scott was with the spying girlfriend yet seemed to have no concern for her safety.

Much was made of Scott's drunken boast to kill a woman, but again this was a twisting of his words, he had said he would kill his wife to a guy who was having marital problems, it was an empty boast as Scott didn't have a wife. This couple both gave evidence twice at Scott's Trial first where they testified about his arrival at Furneaux and their inviting him over for a few drinks. Strangely they don't have name suppression for this testimony, but do for their later testimony about the threat to kill a woman.

[Patrick]

Scott Watson was found Guilty by Detective Inspector Robert Pope on January 8 1998 '

Well bugger me. There I was thinking it was a jury that convicted him, beyond reasonable doubt.

Scott had 46 convictions, including one at age 16 for common assault, fined $240 and costs That was his only "violence offence"

I call bull shit. I know the cop he headbutted in the face for starters.

[maxlev]

I call bull shit. I know the cop he headbutted in the face for starters.

Do you know the cop from New Plymouth who gave evidence at the trial?

Said he saw a ketch heading north when he was out fishing , with blond haired girl and 2 blokes, when they waved to the ketch they didn't wave back, when they got too close the ketch changed course.

I watched him read this out in court, he had his head down and spoke just loud enough to be heard. It made me wonder if the policeman was railroaded out of the force for saying in court what he saw, as it was not the story Pope was giving us.

[dangerous]

Do you know the cop from New Plymouth who gave evidence at the trial?

Said he saw a ketch heading north when he was out fishing , with blond haired girl and 2 blokes, when they waved to the ketch they didn't wave back, when they got too close the ketch changed course.

I watched him read this out in court, he had his head down and spoke just loud enough to be heard. It made me wonder if the policeman was railroaded out of the force for saying in court what he saw, as it was not the story Pope was giving us.

Now... the Ketch was seen in the channel 'x' hours after it was seen in the straight (suposidly dumping the bodys)
Watsons father proved this could not be the case as he took the Blade to point 'a' and sailed as fast as the Blade can go, with the current and tide... and was still hours out from getting to point 'b'
The Blade was never... in the straight.

[maxlev]

There were multiple sightings of a ketch matching the decription.
In the outer Sounds.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sounds-mur...objectid=11221

Cape Jackson on the 1st and New Plymouth a couple of days later.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sounds-mur...objectid=12970

[Littleman]

One of the more intelligent posts on the subject.

Why should the young obey the law that is not kept by its enforcers? Or indeed anyone.

Intellligent?

Really?

Just break the law, thats KB logic for you.

[dangerous]

Intellligent?

Really?

Just break the law, thats KB logic for you.

woshhhhhhhhhh... right over ya head, 'break it down' they are not supporting nor agreeing with what they posted but forwarding information that has relivant and acuate infomation.

[freedom-wedge]

You're joking, right? "Much eveidence pointing at him???" Like what????? Blame the dead guy. It worked.



Another crack up. Prosecution has to supply everything involving the case, whether it is going to be used in the hearing or not. From that, they can make up alibis, stories to suit, whatever... on the day in court.

The defendant doesn't have to supply a thing before any hearing, no intended defence, nothing...... Who does the system favour? Sure aint the prosecution.....

I,m not a D Bain fan for the record, the investigation was a crack up, leading to the situation we have now. And the defence are the only ones who tell stories aye bubba ?. The prosection Have to present their case fully because they have every advantage when building it against a defendant. The system should favour no side but a system always favours its own and in our country this is a growning trend. The implementation of the search and seizure bill will outweigh any advantage an innocent person may have in court in the future. Read about it make up your own mind and dont read with one eye aye.

It is to a fair degree as I speak and should always be that a person can unhindered, present a case for their own innocence and be judged in that manner, but for how long ?.

[Patrick]

Do you know the cop from New Plymouth who gave evidence at the trial?

Nope - happened before I arrived from Auckland. Without a name.........

I watched him read this out in court, he had his head down and spoke just loud enough to be heard. It made me wonder if the policeman was railroaded out of the force for saying in court what he saw, as it was not the story Pope was giving us.

I doubt it. If he left, perhaps it was more about how he couldn't use his big person voice?

I,m not a D Bain fan for the record, the investigation was a crack up, leading to the situation we have now. And the defence are the only ones who tell stories aye bubba ?.

In my experience, hell yeah....

The prosection Have to present their case fully because they have every advantage when building it against a defendant. The system should favour no side but a system always favours its own and in our country this is a growning trend.

I call Bullshit. Advantage? Someone breaks the law, they get in the shit. Simple. I don't have a problem with presenting the case fully, coz it is all there. The defence doesn't have to supply anything. Look at the Bill Of Rights - for the criminals - say nothing, and then come up with some crap at the hearing, where there is no chance to refute the fictional "alibi" or whatever crap they then come up with. Unlike Britain, where they tell the scrotes, to speak up now if they have a defence, or it won't be admissable in court later (or summit like that...). The victims rights are far more important, but they have bugger all.

The implementation of the search and seizure bill will outweigh any advantage an innocent person may have in court in the future. Read about it make up your own mind and dont read with one eye aye.

But if they are innocent, why would they end up in court?

It is to a fair degree as I speak and should always be that a person can unhindered, present a case for their own innocence and be judged in that manner, but for how long ?.

Nothing has, or is, changing here. The sky, actually, is not falling.

[Littleman]

woshhhhhhhhhh... right over ya head, 'break it down' they are not supporting nor agreeing with what they posted but forwarding information that has relivant and acuate infomation.

Them, like you seem to join the dots in a way that supports their agenda.

As illogical as it is.

[Toaster]

One of the more intelligent posts on the subject.

Why should the young obey the law that is not kept by its enforcers? Or indeed anyone.

I guess you would say that.....

It would have to be one of the most stupid posts I have seen yet.

[Toaster]

Ever met him?i have and whether he did it or not i couldnt give a shit,best place for the piece of shite is locked up believe me,ive often chuckled at the posts in this thread from people that have never met the bloke,if they had ive no doubt they would agree,right or wrongly imprisoned is the best place for him,and the rest of NZ,hes a fuckup.

Yep, the guy had an extensive background in badness and was as guilty as sin of those murders. There was so much utterly compelling forensic evidence against him it would have been impossible to say otherwise.