Lines & tips ride

[Bnonn]

I think I've been there with me wife. Think I might even have seen you folks there before I joined the forums. What time do you meet on Sundays?

[TerminalAddict]

good chish and fips at oko

[smoky]

Last time I went on a mentor ride - it scared the ..... out of me.
Some of the newer riders did some scary stuff, lockin up and drifting to the other side of the road.

I really think roads with light traffic is a must, until we get to know who's riding with who and each others abilities.

I can't seem to access the map thru Waingaro that zero's suggesting but just before Waingaro there's a road on the right that cuts back to Huntly thru Glen Afton. Sealed, a bit windy and not much traffic.

I went for a slower ride with a mate last weekend to help boost his confidence - went thru Pokuru, back road from Te Awamutu to Otorohanga.
It really has some nice sweepers, predictable and not boring, and he found it great, rode the best I've seen him ride.

[Warr]

if this turns into a grup ride it will fail.

you can't teach in a group

1 on 1
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if there is a ratio then all should be well .. previously its been 3 mentors, and 20 learners ... waste of time

Well I'm in -

Perhaps I have some advise to offer if people are willing to hear.
Tis a team effort for sure.
As in any team effort it requires commitment from all parties involved.
People who are serious will need to be exactly that, serious and be prepared to take instruction.
This is all about personal skills and rider development.


This is what I'm thinking.

1. We choose a route. (A figure 8 would be ideal)

2. Gather at appointed place

3. Team up "1 to mentored", 1 assistant, 1 mentor.

4. Ride off in that order. (No-one else for at least 3 minites)

5. Next team may leave after 3 minites.

6. 1st Team ride for x k's, stop and discuss

7. "1 to be mentored" rides off to do alternate loop practise and back to original start where they can wait for another outing.


- I like the idea of a figure 8. somewhere west of Ohaupo could be ok, off main roads.
I also like the idea of 2 people giving tips - thereby evening out bias

- I'm all for a longer ride but think mentors and assistances can share themselves better if loops are shorter and there is another course where "1 2b mentored" can go practise. Freeing the other 2 to target another.

Things I see as important.
1. Only 1 team on the road at once. - Safety

2. Space for a post ride debrief - say with pen and paper to draw pictures for "1 2b mentored" to take away. - This debrief to be a discussion between 3. Not a free for all with the whole group


What he said

There could be a figure 8 route west of Ohaupo. Just needs to be off main roads. Where Smoky is talking about could be good too

[Bnonn]

I can't see any obvious places where we can do a figure-8 west of Ohaupo, but you know the roads better than I do, and the map doesn't really tell me much except the basic layout and magnitude of the road. We should avoid Pirongia and SH39 because there are some major roadwords going on along those areas, with nasty, sharp rocky sections of unpaved road. I think Smoky's suggestion of the road out near Waingaro is actually a better one. I've ridden that road and it's pretty nice. Low traffic, nice varying corners. But quite long. I would think we wouldn't want more than a 10-minute trip, so 10-15 km or so?

[RC1]

there are some nice roads i have found on this route but after kiwitahi they are a bit straight, my 2c http://www.motowhere.com/maps/route/WAIKATO-NEW-ZEALAND

[ZeroIndex]

there are some nice roads i have found on this route but after kiwitahi they are a bit straight, my 2c http://www.motowhere.com/maps/route/WAIKATO-NEW-ZEALAND

Thanks for the input, however that's probably a bit long for a training session... In actual fact, that's longer than Hamilton to Kawhia and back (with or without heading to Raglan first, and then doing the 50km of gravel down to Kawhia)

[Bnonn]

I agree; it is much too long. I've been staring at the map all afternoon, and have created a tentative route based on the following criteria:

• It must have good places to stop at the begining, middle, and end. This way, we can meet to group up at the beginning, then spend the first half of the route on a mentor run, after which we can meet up again to review and discuss, before doing the final section to practice whatever we have learned.
• It must be long enough to give instructors a chance to evaluate a rider, but not so long that they are likely to forget half of what they note. A 10-15 minute mentor ride seems ideal, with another 15-20 minutes for practicing afterward. I estimate this at approximately a 15 km and 20 km run, but obviously this is very dependent on the riders.
• There should be potential to re-ride the route again if time permits and the riders are willing. Therefore, it should either be a loop, or a figure-8, or close enough to either to not matter.
• It should be out toward Auckland, so that riders from the big smoke can join us if they wish without having to travel an unreasonable distance.
• It should be low-enforcement, with a good surface, and not too much traffic.

I think that Smoky's suggested route (if I have understood it correctly) fulfills these criteria pretty well. Huntly is not an unreasonable distance for Aucklanders to travel, and is still quite close to Hamilton. Rotowaro Road is a good ride, with a reasonable surface and some nice bends as well as straights. It is not overly challenging, but not boring either. Neither is it highly enforced or highly traveled. Waingaro Road is busier, but not sufficiently to be a problem in my mind, and if people take it at a relaxed pace it should be fine for practicing.

Therefore, I propose a route from Huntly to Glen Afton to Ngaruawahia. This fulfills all the criteria fairly well, I think. It isn't quite a closed loop, but Ngaruawahia to Huntly via SH1 is fairly short and quick if we want to do the ride a second time. I considered just going from Huntly to Glen Afton and back again, but I like Warr's idea of having two riders set out at two minute intervals or so, so that we are spread out on the road. If we meet for discussion at Glen Afton, this would presumably put some riders on the road back to Huntly while others are still heading toward Glen Afton, and I think it would be wise to avoid this "just in case", because head-ons between motorcycles never end well. But if someone else feels otherwise, I'm happy to amend the route; it might make things simpler.

Route: http://www.motowhere.com/maps/route/...ines-Tips-Ride

[ZeroIndex]

I agree; it is much too long. I've been staring at the map all afternoon, and have created a tentative route based on the following criteria:

• It must have good places to stop at the begining, middle, and end. This way, we can meet to group up at the beginning, then spend the first half of the route on a mentor run, after which we can meet up again to review and discuss, before doing the final section to practice whatever we have learned.
• It must be long enough to give instructors a chance to evaluate a rider, but not so long that they are likely to forget half of what they note. A 10-15 minute mentor ride seems ideal, with another 15-20 minutes for practicing afterward. I estimate this at approximately a 15 km and 20 km run, but obviously this is very dependent on the riders.
• There should be potential to re-ride the route again if time permits and the riders are willing. Therefore, it should either be a loop, or a figure-8, or close enough to either to not matter.
• It should be out toward Auckland, so that riders from the big smoke can join us if they wish without having to travel an unreasonable distance.
• It should be low-enforcement, with a good surface, and not too much traffic.

I think that Smoky's suggested route (if I have understood it correctly) fulfills these criteria pretty well. Huntly is not an unreasonable distance for Aucklanders to travel, and is still quite close to Hamilton. Rotowaro Road is a good ride, with a reasonable surface and some nice bends as well as straights. It is not overly challenging, but not boring either. Neither is it highly enforced or highly traveled. Waingaro Road is busier, but not sufficiently to be a problem in my mind, and if people take it at a relaxed pace it should be fine for practicing.

Therefore, I propose a route from Huntly to Glen Afton to Ngaruawahia. This fulfills all the criteria fairly well, I think. It isn't quite a closed loop, but Ngaruawahia to Huntly via SH1 is fairly short and quick if we want to do the ride a second time. I considered just going from Huntly to Glen Afton and back again, but I like Warr's idea of having two riders set out at two minute intervals or so, so that we are spread out on the road. If we meet for discussion at Glen Afton, this would presumably put some riders on the road back to Huntly while others are still heading toward Glen Afton, and I think it would be wise to avoid this "just in case", because head-ons between motorcycles never end well. But if someone else feels otherwise, I'm happy to amend the route; it might make things simpler.

Route: http://www.motowhere.com/maps/route/...ines-Tips-Ride

Your boss just PM'd me and told me to tell you to GET BACK TO WORK p/t

[Bnonn]

Heh, that wouldn't surprise me. Deeknow used to work here, so he could get hold of Chook, who still does, and get him to tell my boss that I'm spending my time working on riding routes online instead of fixing computer problems (:

[Daza]

Here is a recent route that i took. Its reasonably flat. The first bit before the loop has some recent patches of new road and seal, but nothing major. The rest of it has some tight corners and some sweeping corners, fast corners, blind corners etc and one long straight.

Roto-O-Rangi-Route

This route can start and finish at the loop, being a small loop, it might be ideal for 6 learners coming along and maybe 2-3 mentors..??

Actually Kairangi Rd/Robinson Rd (it links to RotoOrangi Rd) looks a better bet as its loop is smaller and seems to have more corners....haven't been around those roads yet. Must check it out.


I agree with all the points Warr has suggested. I too agree it would be better to have a shorter loop (but has alot of corners). And do it 1 - 1 and then the next mentor/learner goes out. While the mentor/learner who's just been around, can have a debriefing between themshelves and the learner can ponder what they learned while waiting for his/her turn again before going around again...

Just another future suggestion (Although its a much longer route), i have scouted this out in my cage over the weekend gone by when looking for ideal roads to ride. Only i've only seen half of this route as i turned off onto Toataoroa road instead of continuing onto Buckland Road. I plan to ride this route in near future. On a longer route like this you could two groups (depending on numbers and Mentor/learner ratio) one on either end of longish loop?.
Have a look see Taotaoroa-Route

[ZeroIndex]

Heh, that wouldn't surprise me. Deeknow used to work here, so he could get hold of Chook, who still does, and get him to tell my boss that I'm spending my time working on riding routes online instead of fixing computer problems (:

please can you do me a favour.... your smiley faces are the wrong way round... please fix them? If you do, you'll get nice little icons...

[Blackadda]

Don't frett over the JAFA's, there's plenty of them up there and there's plenty of places for them to play.

I'm sure there are enough cow bell's down here to keep the mentals busy.

I like the look of the Roto o Rangi track. Might have to have a go myself before hand.

[Bnonn]

Roto-o-rangi route looks pretty good, and a bit shorter than mine. What do others reckon?

ZeroIndex: my smileys are left-handed, and I hate those obnoxiously effiminate emoticon images q:

[ZeroIndex]

Roto-o-rangi route looks pretty good, and a bit shorter than mine. What do others reckon?

ZeroIndex: my smileys are left-handed, and I hate those obnoxiously effiminate emoticon images q:

Bit far-out for that ride... might I suggest the Whitehall run (Carver knows the directions) if we're gonna be in that type of area?